McEvoy vs Shaw

[SwimCock]

Originally Posted by FanofCarolina1

Shaw is coming into his third season, how has he had four springs already? Was he an EE and was on the sidelines prior to his freshman fall camp?

Anyways, I personally like the fact that we have more than two capable starters at QB, RB, WR.

Also, I understand the title to this thread, but if McEvoy is able to beat out DT for the backup roll, then I will have to believe all the hype he is getting. We'll see soon enough.

Shaw was an EE which is why he was SG's backup as a true FR in 2010, along with his development in practices and film study.

[b381l]

Originally Posted by JasperB

What is Conner's record as a starter?

defense won a bunch of those games, but Shaw managed the games which is all he was asked to do......

[b381l]

Originally Posted by BornCocky'86

Shaw has proven he can make the throws and makes great decisions. A good decision making QB w/ wheels is ideal w/ our running game and great defense. Shaw.....

Once again, Shaw has not proved he can make all the throws. He can run and scamble, but his throwing is just OK at best.

[b381l]

Originally Posted by MWard

OMG, why is it that the most popular player on our team for the past 12 years is the backup QB? Someone probably already said that on this thread.

McEvoy is talented, he has great size and athletic ability for a QB, and I'm sure that one day he will be a great QB.

However, Shaw is a winner (8-1 as the starter) and he only got better as the season went along. Shaw is going into his 4th spring camp, to McEvoy's 1st. Shaw has an winners work ethic and has more time in the system we run.

I'm all for competition, but McEvoy would have to come in and play like an All SEC QB to wrestle the job from Shaw. I just don't see that happening this year, but if it does great. I want the best QB possible for the team.

Actually this is Shaw's 3rd spring.

[Flameout12]

Originally Posted by b381l

Once again, Shaw has not proved he can make all the throws. He can run and scamble, but his throwing is just OK at best.

You're starting to sound like your old self....

Originally Posted by b381l

He's a good runner with a lot of toughness and guts, but not a very good passer.....and the things he doesn't do well as a passer will prevent him from being a real good QB in the future.....vision, arm strength and accuracy.

The guy finished 23rd in the nation in passing efficiency as a TR Soph after only his 1st year starting and is a guy that Steve Spurrier mentioned as being Heisman material.

You post some dumb $#%@.

[b381l]

I just thought I would reminence a bit. Why do you and others take such offense when I state my opinion that Shaw is not a great passer. Others have their opinions about many of the players, but those don't seem to bother you. Why are you so hung up on Shaw's passing. If I didn't think I was right, I wouldn't say it. Of course SOS has said the same thing a number of times about Shaw, even the press conference after the bowl game. Perhaps he doesn't know what he's talking about either. Don't get me wrong, SOS really likes Shaw and what he's done for the team, but he knows his passing is not that great. I just wish you had more knowledge about football.

[OVPcock]

Originally Posted by b381l

I just thought I would reminence a bit. Why do you and others take such offense when I state my opinion that Shaw is not a great passer. Others have their opinions about many of the players, but those don't seem to bother you. Why are you so hung up on Shaw's passing. If I didn't think I was right, I wouldn't say it. Of course SOS has said the same thing a number of times about Shaw, even the press conference after the bowl game. Perhaps he doesn't know what he's talking about either. Don't get me wrong, SOS really likes Shaw and what he's done for the team, but he knows his passing is not that great. I just wish you had more knowledge about football.

Actually Spurrier has mentioned on numerous occasions that Shaw throws a beautiful ball. Spurrier is VERY high on Shaw's passing. He's lit up the practice fields for 2 years now, and its translating more and more to the field. And what's this about having "opinions" about whether or not someone is a good passer? You have eyes, you've seen the games, and the stats are there for all to see, as are Spurriers comments on the matter. It's not something that can be debated, unless you feel you know something or see something that Spurrier doesn't

[OVPcock]

Originally Posted by b381l

I just thought I would reminence a bit. Why do you and others take such offense when I state my opinion that Shaw is not a great passer. Others have their opinions about many of the players, but those don't seem to bother you. Why are you so hung up on Shaw's passing. If I didn't think I was right, I wouldn't say it. Of course SOS has said the same thing a number of times about Shaw, even the press conference after the bowl game. Perhaps he doesn't know what he's talking about either. Don't get me wrong, SOS really likes Shaw and what he's done for the team, but he knows his passing is not that great. I just wish you had more knowledge about football.

Oh, and Spurrier has never said that Shaw is not a good passer. You're just making stuff up. He's gushed about Shaw's passing since he arrived on campus. When Shaw lights it up in scrimmages, he's not lighting it up with his feet, it's with his arm. Sure, as a passer he's no Grossman, but he's getting there

[b381l]

Originally Posted by OVPcock

Oh, and Spurrier has never said that Shaw is not a good passer. You're just making stuff up. He's gushed about Shaw's passing since he arrived on campus. When Shaw lights it up in scrimmages, he's not lighting it up with his feet, it's with his arm. Sure, as a passer he's no Grossman, but he's getting there

First, I don't make things up. Second, it obvious you don't listen to all of SOS comments after practice. You're just making things up. One more thing, Shaw's best 2 games, by far, were against Kentucky and Clemson, 2 really outstanding defenses. Go look at the stats game by game. Never mind, you won't be honest about it.

[OVPcock]

Originally Posted by b381l

First, I don't make things up. Second, it obvious you don't listen to all of SOS comments after practice. You're just making things up. One more thing, Shaw's best 2 games, by far, were against Kentucky and Clemson, 2 really outstanding defenses. Go look at the stats game by game. Never mind, you won't be honest about it.

Uh huh, OK... So what kind of things has Spurrier said about Shaw's passing to make you feel that Spurrier thinks Shaw is only a decent passer? Please feel free to paraphrase, I wont be a dick about exact quotes. Anything you heard him say, he has probably said about ALL of his QB's in the past. This is Mr. Perfectionist Steve Spurrier we're talking about. "We're gonna see if we can get Danny/Rex/Shane to maybe pass a little better, just a so-so passing performance". Sound familiar?

[b381l]

Originally Posted by OVPcock

Uh huh, OK... So what kind of things has Spurrier said about Shaw's passing to make you feel that Spurrier thinks Shaw is only a decent passer? Please feel free to paraphrase, I wont be a dick about exact quotes. Anything you heard him say, he has probably said about ALL of his QB's in the past. This is Mr. Perfectionist Steve Spurrier we're talking about. "We're gonna see if we can get Danny/Rex/Shane to maybe pass a little better, just a so-so passing performance". Sound familiar?

You didn't read my post did you because you didn't comment on it. The thing that SOS has criticized Shaw for repeatedly is not throwing on time to a location with accuracy. His accuracy did improve some over the course of the year. Part of Shaw's problem with timing is he just isn't confident enough either in himself or where he thinks the reciever should be. So he is hesitant to throw on time. Plus his arm isn't strong enough to throw deep outs or anything accross the field. Most of Shaw's completions are where he scrambled. Now in fairness especially early in the season, the OL was not giving him enough time much in the same way as Garcia. The better defenses will put 8 up close to the line to stop the run and force Shaw to beat them. And that will continue until he proves otherwise. Hopefully this year, the OL will show improvement and they will give him a little more time to make his decisions. He also is going to have to learn to read defenses and the recievers routes more quickly. One thing that may hurt him this year is that AJ is gone and he's going to have to get used to some new receivers that may take some time. Lastly, teams now have film on him and therefore will know his weaknesses and you better believe they will try to exploit them.

[GamecockJames]

Spurrier has said numerous times already that shaw needs to get the ball out of his hands faster.

[MWard]

To be fair, anyone who is saying McEvoy could push Shaw for playing time next fall needs to mention Nosovitch as well. He's also a highly capable, outstanding HS QB with no SEC experience or college wins. He could be great too though.

[Ernest]

Originally Posted by MWard

To be fair, anyone who is saying McEvoy could push Shaw for playing time next fall needs to mention Nosovitch as well. He's also a highly capable, outstanding HS QB with no SEC experience or college wins. He could be great too though.

It's a little disingenuous to compare McEvoy wh Nosovitch. McEvoy does have a season of practice under his belt, and while some of the more uppity posters scoff at the idea of running the scout team, he did it against our 1st string defense.

McEvoy knows the offense and has had time to adjust to the speed of the college game against one of the top D's in the country. Saying that Nosovitch should get the same consideration as McEvoy merely because neither of them have started yet is asinine.

[Coondog]

Originally Posted by b381l

First, I don't make things up. Second, it obvious you don't listen to all of SOS comments after practice. You're just making things up. One more thing, Shaw's best 2 games, by far, were against Kentucky and Clemson, 2 really outstanding defenses. Go look at the stats game by game. Never mind, you won't be honest about it.

Nebraska game Shaw went 11-17 for 230 yards with 2 TD's and 0 Int's. 65% completion with zero int's against a very good Nebraska team in the largest non BCS bowl game is pretty damn good IMO.

[nlhipp]

With all this controversy over whether Shaw is a great passer or not, we can be certain that OUR football team will be ready to go this fall. This offense is good enough that Shaw doesn't have to be an Andrew Luck because we have a superstar directly behind him named Marcus Lattimore. Let us all agree that we have the ingredients to have a really special season. After what we did last year, through all the adversities, we are primed for serious SEC football. GO COCKS!

[35-21]

Originally Posted by Ernest

It's a little disingenuous to compare McEvoy wh Nosovitch. McEvoy does have a season of practice under his belt, and while some of the more uppity posters scoff at the idea of running the scout team, he did it against our 1st string defense.

McEvoy knows the offense and has had time to adjust to the speed of the college game against one of the top D's in the country. Saying that Nosovitch should get the same consideration as McEvoy merely because neither of them have started yet is asinine.

While you have a point about Tanner's year in the system, don't forget that Nosovich actually has MORE experience playing quarterback than McEvoy, and in an offense that was fundamentally similar.

[BeatBamaTwice]

I just read where Shaw's mother said he'd gained 13 pounds of muscle. Could it be? Another pound of muscle in that throwing arm and this season might be spent watching the best Carolina arm ever. Here's hoping!!!!

[thekob]

Originally Posted by 35-21

While you have a point about TannOR's year in the system, don't forget that Nosovich actually has MORE experience playing quarterback than McEvoy, and in an offense that was fundamentally similar.

lol...sorry, every qb thread deserves at least one name spelling correction. When in doubt the last two letters should be -OR. On another note I'm looking forward to that Brendor Nosovich fellow...he should be good. I figure he'll redshirt though, I doubt he'll beat out Connor or Tannor or even Dylor...

[OLDCHARLESTONIAN]

Originally Posted by b381l

Once again, Shaw has not proved he can make all the throws. He can run and scamble, but his throwing is just OK at best.

But we have all seen McEvoy make all those game situation throws. Man, he's Cam Newton incarnate. It's not as much of us being on the Shaw bandwagon, as us giving Shaw his due, when he has earned it.

If McEvoy comes in and wins games, then we'll give him his due. But to worship someone we've never seen play in an SEC ballgame, sorry I'm not going to do that. My purpose on writing on this thread was simply to point out the fact that 1) Shaw is #1 right now. You can't deny that. And until someone beats him out, he'll stay #1. 2) You have a love fest of McEvoy, and I'm sure Thompson, Nosovitch, and whatever other QBs we have on the roster would sure love to have some of your man love.

Of course I read the thread title, genius. So can I write a Shaw vs. Peyton Manning thread and proclaim that Shaw is leaps and bounds above Peyton, and then complain when someone says that unless Shaw has an NFL career like Manning's he's not better than him?