British Man Creating 4th place "Medals"

[Spurrier_Superior_One]

http://msn.foxsports.com/olympics/di...thletes-080512

"There used to be 84 countries in the Olympic Games, now there are 204," Mitchell told the BBC in an interview. "Performance levels have become so much higher that it is so hard now to get a medal. I thought, it's time this increase in the competitiveness and the standards was taken account of."

The first recipients of Mitchell's homemade hardware are scheduled to be British diver Tom Daley and his synchronized diving partner Peter Waterfield. The two messed up a key dive and were knocked off the podium, and although they might be a little upset at their fourth-place status, Mitchell hopes he can cheer them up.

Dumbest idea ever funny his first "medals" go to a pair of men synchronized divers.

[ktguen]

I thought Aly Raisman deserved something for tying for 3rd and dropped to 4th on a stupid tie breaker rule in the women's all around final. But I'm not exactly going to go out and make her one. hahaha

[Spurrier_Superior_One]

^The questionable scoring methods of gymnastics was fully exposed this Olympics. They need to do a full revamp, with the limits placed on countries this isn't the BCS this is the Olympics and having coaches running out with a couple of Benjamins doesn't help the sport either, I know that the money goes to charity but come on it just looks dirty.

[ktguen]

Originally Posted by Spurrier_Superior_One

^The questionable scoring methods of gymnastics was fully exposed this Olympics. They need to do a full revamp, with the limits placed on countries this isn't the BCS this is the Olympics and having coaches running out with a couple of Benjamins doesn't help the sport either.

Gymnasts agree. It's a stupid policy. From what I'm reading, the Olympics is the only event where this happens. At the World Championships if you tie, you tie. It happened to Nastia in 2008. It just happened again in the men's pommel horse final. Louis Smith from GB and another guy had the same exact score which put them both in line for gold, but Smith lost the tie breaker and got bumped to silver. If the judges see no difference, why should their be a difference in medals?

[Spurrier_Superior_One]

Originally Posted by ktguen

Gymnasts agree. It's a stupid policy. From what I'm reading, the Olympics is the only event where this happens. At the World Championships if you tie, you tie. It happened to Nastia in 2008. It just happened again in the men's pommel horse final. Louis Smith from GB and another guy had the same exact score which put them both in line for gold, but Smith lost the tie breaker and got bumped to silver. If the judges see no difference, why should their be a difference in medals?

If the final score is tied for 3rd with 80.1 and 80.1 you award 2 bronzes its not that complicated. Why the Olympics has made it so is absolutely stupid.

[I Bleed Garnet]

Originally Posted by ktguen

I thought Aly Raisman deserved something for tying for 3rd and dropped to 4th on a stupid tie breaker rule in the women's all around final. But I'm not exactly going to go out and make her one. hahaha

I haven't really paid much attention to gymnastics, but have heard this being talked about.

What exactly happened/ what is the tie breaker method?

[ktguen]

Originally Posted by I Bleed Garnet

I haven't really paid much attention to gymnastics, but have heard this being talked about.

What exactly happened/ what is the tie breaker method?

In Aly Raisman's case she was competing for the women's all around title, the same title that Gabby Douglas won. She went into the last rotation in 5th and luckily it was her best event. She scored well enough to tie Mustafina from Russia who was in 3rd. Here is the actual wording of the procedure

Should there be ties in the team finals in London, the lowest apparatus score will be dropped and the remaining scores added. If that doesn't break the tie, additional apparatus scores will be dropped, one at a time, until there is a winner. If no winner emerges, the tie stands.
There is a similar formula for the all-around final. But if no winner has emerged following the dropping of apparatus scores, the execution score total for each gymnast serve as the tie-breaker, followed by his or her total start value. If that doesn't establish a winner, the tie will stand.


http://www.sbnation.com/london-olymp...und-gymnastics

[ktguen]

You might also be talking about Aly Raisman beating out Jordyn Weiber to make it into the all around competition. You qualify for the all around during the team qualification round. Every team competes and only the top 8 make it into team finals the next day. But girls who compete in all 4 events and have one of the top 24 scores are eligible for the all around. But there is a catch, only 2 girls per country make it and the US had 3 girls going for it. Jordyn was the girl who the media had built up as the one who was going to take the all around torch passed on from Carly Patterson and Nastia. Gabby was in easily but Jordyn had kind of a wobbly day, culminated by stepped out of bounds on the last event of the day. Aly had a very good day and stayed in bounds on floor, so she beat Jordyn by something around .1 of a point.

So a Russian girl had the top overall score, but next was Gabby from the US, followed by Aly from the US. They were both in. Jordyn had the 4th highest score of EVERYONE who competed that day, but was knocked out of the all around because of the 2 per country rule. So her 4th highest score didn't make it in, but the 20 girls who scored less than her did. The rule has been in place for a while and has actually knocked out a couple US athletes before (Bridget Sloan most recently in 2008, I think it happened to someone on the men's team this year too) but it was more publicized this year because Jordyn Weiber was expected to make it.

I understand what they were going for when they made the rule, but it's still dumb if you ask me. They need to take the top 24 athletes no matter what.

[I Bleed Garnet]

thanks.

I was wondering about the Individual finals (with the American who finished tied for third)

All I heard was some crazy tiebreaker rule but didn't know what the actual rule was. Even when looking it up had no idea what I was looking for ahah.

[ktguen]

Originally Posted by I Bleed Garnet

thanks.

I was wondering about the Individual finals (with the American who finished tied for third)

All I heard was some crazy tiebreaker rule but didn't know what the actual rule was. Even when looking it up had no idea what I was looking for ahah.

Yep. I guess it's an ok way to break ties but my opinion is you shouldn't even need to break them. If they tie, they tie.

[Bob the Builder]

Got to feel for Taylor Phinney who finished 4th in the road race and the individual time trial in cycling.

[I Bleed Garnet]

Originally Posted by ktguen

Yep. I guess it's an ok way to break ties but my opinion is you shouldn't even need to break them. If they tie, they tie.

I say they go down to a good ol' fashioned Vault Off.

or Beam off or whatever event they are similarly good in.

[CockySwede]

Originally Posted by ktguen

You might also be talking about Aly Raisman beating out Jordyn Weiber to make it into the all around competition. You qualify for the all around during the team qualification round. Every team competes and only the top 8 make it into team finals the next day. But girls who compete in all 4 events and have one of the top 24 scores are eligible for the all around. But there is a catch, only 2 girls per country make it and the US had 3 girls going for it. Jordyn was the girl who the media had built up as the one who was going to take the all around torch passed on from Carly Patterson and Nastia. Gabby was in easily but Jordyn had kind of a wobbly day, culminated by stepped out of bounds on the last event of the day. Aly had a very good day and stayed in bounds on floor, so she beat Jordyn by something around .1 of a point.

So a Russian girl had the top overall score, but next was Gabby from the US, followed by Aly from the US. They were both in. Jordyn had the 4th highest score of EVERYONE who competed that day, but was knocked out of the all around because of the 2 per country rule. So her 4th highest score didn't make it in, but the 20 girls who scored less than her did. The rule has been in place for a while and has actually knocked out a couple US athletes before (Bridget Sloan most recently in 2008, I think it happened to someone on the men's team this year too) but it was more publicized this year because Jordyn Weiber was expected to make it.

I understand what they were going for when they made the rule, but it's still dumb if you ask me. They need to take the top 24 athletes no matter what.

Its not a stupid rule, the Olympics is a International competition. Take basketball for example, you all could probably field 6-7 teams that could win it all. If you choose to enter 3 gymnasts you need to realize that only 2 will go through.

[USCgamecocks]

Originally Posted by CockySwede

Its not a stupid rule, the Olympics is a International competition. Take basketball for example, you all could probably field 6-7 teams that could win it all. If you choose to enter 3 gymnasts you need to realize that only 2 will go through.

Swimming is another good example for this, the US had a standing WR holder finish 3rd in trials so she didn't get to swim that event in London.

[bigdog2003]

Originally Posted by CockySwede

Its not a stupid rule, the Olympics is a International competition. Take basketball for example, you all could probably field 6-7 teams that could win it all. If you choose to enter 3 gymnasts you need to realize that only 2 will go through.

Basketball is different, it is a team sport and each country gets 1 team. The best however many finalist should make it for each sport. I don't care if America puts 8 in the all around. If you are in 4th place and the top 24 make it, why should you be punished for being from America (or any other country)? The best people should make the finals out of the ones that try. I just don't buy punishing a person because their country is good at something. She was 1 of the top 24, hell she was 1 of the top 4 in the world, and she didn't get to go for the all around gold. Now we have to make the olympics fair for every country. Next America won't be allowed to compete at certain sports because it won't be fair.

[ktguen]

Originally Posted by bigdog2003

Basketball is different, it is a team sport and each country gets 1 team. The best however many finalist should make it for each sport. I don't care if America puts 8 in the all around. If you are in 4th place and the top 24 make it, why should you be punished for being from America (or any other country)? The best people should make the finals out of the ones that try.

I agree with this. It wasn't qualifiers, it was the Olympics. She had already proven herself. It wasn't like she even had a bad day, her team mates just had better ones. And she was the 4th best gymnast in the world on that day, just so happens that 2 of 3 who outscored her were on her own team. So she sits in the stands while the 20 girls who scored lower than her get to compete.

In other individual sports if there is a qualifying score/time and you achieve it, you advance. No matter how many other people on your team did. Swimming was brought up. If you make it to the Olympics and swim fast enough to make finals, they don't eliminate you because someone else from your team was already in it. Not sure why gymnastics is any different.

[USCgamecocks]

Originally Posted by ktguen

In other individual sports if there is a qualifying score/time and you achieve it, you advance. No matter how many other people on your team did. Swimming was brought up. If you make it to the Olympics and swim fast enough to make finals, they don't eliminate you because someone else from your team was already in it. Not sure why gymnastics is any different.

You don't even make the olympics if you aren't top 2 in your country (individual events) in swimming so you couldn't exactly be bumped. Now they make plenty of lineup changes in relays but thats not a similar situation.

I don't really have a problem the the top 2 rule. When you are competing for a top country you are good enough or you aren't, Tyler Clary could have medaled in the 400 IM but didn't even get to swim because of the top 2 rule. You have to beat your teammates before you can beat the world.

[ktguen]

Originally Posted by USCgamecocks

You don't even make the olympics if you aren't top 2 in your country (individual events) in swimming so you couldn't exactly be bumped. Now they make plenty of lineup changes in relays but thats not a similar situation.

I don't really have a problem the the top 2 rule. When you are competing for a top country you are good enough or you aren't, Tyler Clary could have medaled in the 400 IM but didn't even get to swim because of the top 2 rule. You have to beat your teammates before you can beat the world.

Yeah I understand the idea of the rule, I just still think it's a little off. In her case, she did beat the world....before she even beat her team. haha.

[Spurrier_Superior_One]

Originally Posted by USCgamecocks

I don't really have a problem the the top 2 rule. When you are competing for a top country you are good enough or you aren't, Tyler Clary could have medaled in the 400 IM but didn't even get to swim because of the top 2 rule. You have to beat your teammates before you can beat the world.

The top 2 run as used in the gymnastics all round final is not just stupid but wrong when it took the 24 gymnists to the final and one was in the top 4 but because of the top 2 rule the best 24 did not make the finals. Whoever was 25 got to slide in while the best had to sit and watch, its a travesty to sports. It was the top 24 as long as you are not third from your country.

[ktguen]

If Jordyn Weiber would have made it through to the AA I'm not sure she would have beaten Gabby's scores and won but I'm almost certain she would have medaled. She's the defending AA World Champ for a reason. She had beaten ALL of those girls before...this year! I can only hope she sticks with it and takes a shot at 2016.