The Penn State Thread

[Spurrier_Superior_One]

Originally Posted by Ballpoint Man

Stop painting everyone and everything at Penn State like it was responsible. No one has ever denied how heinous the crimes were, but they are legally entitled to at least debate the punishment.

I swear, every time I see you post - it's something hateful. Chill. Out.

Obviously you don't get it THE PRESIDENT OF PED STATE AGREED TO THE PUNISHMENT END OF ****ING STORY!!!! No one is asking for you to read it if you don't like it there is ignore no hair off my back if you read it or not. Ped State ultimate authority is the NCAA no one else is above them since they choose to be part of intercollegiate athletics and the NCAA is the supreme authority in that area. If this type of thing doesn't anger you either you aren't human or don't know anyone who was raped. If that was someone in your family I seriously believe you will be dancing to a different tune.

[The Roost]

Originally Posted by Spurrier_Superior_One

^You are seriously comparing GA Mangus taking a leak to child molestation? No one covered it up and no one denied it. How sick are you?

Lol you are a simpleton. I wasn't comparing the crimes/actions at all. I was calling out Swim for going after the students/alumni/community for not feeling guilty about the actions of Sandusky, Paterno, McQueary, and the other parties who knew about this and covered it up. Why should they feel guilty about it? They didn't commit the crimes. Whenever a South Carolina student, alum, athlete, what have you does commits a crime, I don't feel guilty in the least about it. Why? Because I didn't do it.

But I love how idiots like you go on the internet and love to prove how outraged they are at a situation and then get all mad and start calling people who don't do full retard angry mobby like yourself "sick". You're actions and tone are despicable. My guess is you are compensating for something. Probably your own inadequacies and own imperfections.

I'm not a perfect man so I'm not going to cast stones at these men. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Originally Posted by JaxcockFL

Why? Because they are part of a system that let it go on. They are part of a system that let football get too big for a university to control. They are part of a system that covered this stuff up so that their beloved football program could look pure. How are students punished? Because they can't go rah rah for a football team that wins? Oh..what wicked..wicked punishment. How are the Student athletes punished? Because the bad bad NCAA is forcing them to stay? Wait a second....they can leave. or they can stay. You may not get this, but the thing I don't get is how this really hurts people at Penn State at all? Do they not get educations? Do they not study? Are we saying that going rah-rah or not going rah-rah is hurting or not hurting? Please........

How does this help the victims? Because the NCAA has sent notice that they are going to hammer schools that cannot control their programs. Maybe this does not help the present victims, but I disagree depending on where the fines for this go....but it will help in the future when a football coach, AD and other folks are kicking around the idea of doing something or nothing and letting a coach bang little boys in the shower. They certainly can't say that the NCAA is going to let things go if they find out that covering up was the choice.

What system? Why are you implying that the entire Penn State student body/alumni/community knew about this? They had no part of this. They had no knowledge of this. Before this scandal broke initially, they only knew Joe as a great man who molded hundreds of teenagers into great young men. That's the Paterno THEY KNEW. Of course they are going to defend them. For about 5 decades, Joe Paterno was the biggest symbol of Penn State out there. He was a sports icon. He did lots of great work for the community. He helped build that college from some small school in the middle of nowhere Pennsylvania into one of the biggest, most popular schools in the country with his contributions over the decades via the football program. That's the Joe Paterno they knew. As an outsider, no one saw that. Pretty much everyone only knew him as that little coach who was there forever. It's like trying to explain what Ray Tanner has done for South Carolina to an outsider. We all know what he has done here. All the work he has done for the school and for Columbia. We know the hundreds of young men he has helped shape into fine citizens. Do outsiders understand that? Hell no. Now imagine if Tanner had coached here another 30 years and then a similar scandal involving him broke. No one here would turn on a drop of a hat against him. Sure we'd be horrified by his action (inaction rather), but it's not like we'd completely forget all of the work he had done prior.

I hope you can see what I'm saying and understand what it's like for the Penn State faithful and not just be completely ignorant and plain stupid like a lot of people are being in regards to this, because far too many people have gone way past full retard in their reaction to this.

Originally Posted by Spurrier_Superior_One

I hardly see how this has to do with the NCAA. We are discussing Ped State not the Citadel and this had nothing to do with intercollegiate athletics. Why you shift the subject is another example of grasping for straws. Stay on subject or stay out of the discussion.

You (well Kane, but I imagine you follow lockstep with his foolish opinion as well) justify the penalties that Penn State received because by covering it up they helped their image with recruits, well you don't think this cover-up at The Citadel helped maintain their image. Hell after it broke, you couldn't go 5 minutes without seeing the local media associating child molestation with The Citadel as a whole.

I'm not going to excuse the guilty parties for their actions at all, especially not Sandusky. What he did is one of the most despicable actions I have ever heard of. Joe made a mistake. He wasn't a perfect man. However, he is not the only guilty party and it seems like a lot of people are putting the majority of the blame in this case on him (even over Sandusky) rather than talking about ALL of those who could have stopped it or acted sooner. My question is, didn't McQueary actually witness Sandusky sodomizing a boy? I mean he was the reason why that whole "rhythmic slapping" stuff got out. So why is no one going after him? Hell he could have nipped it in the bud back in what? 2001? 2003? Whenever that was that he said he saw it go down and then the cover-up never would have happened. But whatever. It's easier for the media and whatnot to pin the blame one big iconic figure and make them the scapegoat and sacrificial lamb to the angry masses and since that scapegoat is dead and can't defend themselves, they can fling them their name all through the mud.

Either way, situations like this, along with the OJ trial, the Casey Anthony trial, and the Trayvon Martin shooting coupled with the media sensationalize the hell out of everything and pitting two sides of Americans against each other while the citizenry continuously falls into the trap several times a year is just another reason why our society forces itself further down the shitter each and every year.

Either way, I'm done with this topic as should anyone else with a lick of sense. Let the angry mob chew on their bone until the media throws them another one to chew on. Go Gamecocks and God Bless America.

[JaxcockFL]

The Penn State faithful should realize that football is a freakin game and not real life. Consider that when saying folks are going 'full retard' on it.

[SwimCock]

Originally Posted by The Roost

Did you feel guilty about G.A. Mangus's actions last summer? I didn't and I bet most alumni and students didn't either. Why should the Penn State alumni feel guilty for the actions of other men especially when they are being punished for those acts?

I'm still trying to figure out how punishing the students and student-athletes is going to help the victims at all. No one can seem to explain that at all.

I did not feel guilty about GA Mangus' indiscretion last summer nor any of the other indiscretions of our players; however, I was embarrassed and remorseful for their poor judgments. I have no reason to feel guilty since I personally did nothing wrong in that matter. I also never defended them nor asked that their punishments get avoided. I also never asked or suggested that Ped State's fans feel guilty; I did ask or suggest that they should feel remorseful. There is a difference between guilt (by the parties that committed or enabled the acts) and remorse (by those that follow and support the programs). The Ped State fans, alumni, etc. display no remorse or concern about what happened, but only concern about how it impacts their all-important football program.

[The Roost]

Originally Posted by SwimCock

I did not feel guilty about GA Mangus' indiscretion last summer nor any of the other indiscretions of our players; however, I was embarrassed and remorseful for their poor judgments. I have no reason to feel guilty since I personally did nothing wrong in that matter. I also never defended them nor asked that their punishments get avoided. I also never asked or suggested that Ped State's fans feel guilty; I did ask or suggest that they should feel remorseful. There is a difference between guilt (by the parties that committed or enabled the acts) and remorse (by those that follow and support the programs). The Ped State fans, alumni, etc. display no remorse or concern about what happened, but only concern about how it impacts their all-important football program.

You have no idea how the students and alumni feel about this. They can feel remorse and sorrow for what happened to the boys and still feel that the NCAA overreacted and wrongly punished their football program. Do you really think the media is going to interview a bunch of alumni and students asking them how they feel about the victims? Hell no. That's not what gets them ratings. What gets them ratings is people's anger when the media makes it seem like they only care about the football program. There is a lot of hurt and anger in the Penn State family right now. A few of their own committed and covered up a heinous series of crimes and now they are all being punished for it and a bunch of idiots are putting the blame on the whole Penn State family (I'm looking at the idiots calling them Ped State and the fools saying that Penn State raped those kids) rather than at the guilty few. I'm sure they all feel sorry for what happen to those boys and they feel that the guilty parties should all be punished. However, they are angry at the feed using them all as a sacrificial lamb to get them a "juicy" story to stir up some ratings rather than reporting the facts and moving the hell on. The Penn State family wants to move on. They want to get over this tragedy. They want the courts to punish the guilty and let the innocent try to move on with their lives in as much peace as possible. However, the media won't let it die. They won't leave well enough alone. The NCAA caving into the idiots in the angry mob didn't help either.

If you want to know why Penn State fans/students/alumni are so angry then look no further than the media that is trying to tear down that whole school and what it actually stood for and rewrite their entire legacy because of the actions of a few despicable men. Try to look it at their prospective and understand where they are coming from before you start tossing those proverbial stones around.

[KaneisAble]

Originally Posted by The Roost

Lol you are a simpleton. I wasn't comparing the crimes/actions at all. I was calling out Swim for going after the students/alumni/community for not feeling guilty about the actions of Sandusky, Paterno, McQueary, and the other parties who knew about this and covered it up. Why should they feel guilty about it? They didn't commit the crimes. Whenever a South Carolina student, alum, athlete, what have you does commits a crime, I don't feel guilty in the least about it. Why? Because I didn't do it.

But I love how idiots like you go on the internet and love to prove how outraged they are at a situation and then get all mad and start calling people who don't do full retard angry mobby like yourself "sick". You're actions and tone are despicable. My guess is you are compensating for something. Probably your own inadequacies and own imperfections.

I'm not a perfect man so I'm not going to cast stones at these men. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.



What system? Why are you implying that the entire Penn State student body/alumni/community knew about this? They had no part of this. They had no knowledge of this. Before this scandal broke initially, they only knew Joe as a great man who molded hundreds of teenagers into great young men. That's the Paterno THEY KNEW. Of course they are going to defend them. For about 5 decades, Joe Paterno was the biggest symbol of Penn State out there. He was a sports icon. He did lots of great work for the community. He helped build that college from some small school in the middle of nowhere Pennsylvania into one of the biggest, most popular schools in the country with his contributions over the decades via the football program. That's the Joe Paterno they knew. As an outsider, no one saw that. Pretty much everyone only knew him as that little coach who was there forever. It's like trying to explain what Ray Tanner has done for South Carolina to an outsider. We all know what he has done here. All the work he has done for the school and for Columbia. We know the hundreds of young men he has helped shape into fine citizens. Do outsiders understand that? Hell no. Now imagine if Tanner had coached here another 30 years and then a similar scandal involving him broke. No one here would turn on a drop of a hat against him. Sure we'd be horrified by his action (inaction rather), but it's not like we'd completely forget all of the work he had done prior.

I hope you can see what I'm saying and understand what it's like for the Penn State faithful and not just be completely ignorant and plain stupid like a lot of people are being in regards to this, because far too many people have gone way past full retard in their reaction to this.




You (well Kane, but I imagine you follow lockstep with his foolish opinion as well) justify the penalties that Penn State received because by covering it up they helped their image with recruits, well you don't think this cover-up at The Citadel helped maintain their image. Hell after it broke, you couldn't go 5 minutes without seeing the local media associating child molestation with The Citadel as a whole.

I'm not going to excuse the guilty parties for their actions at all, especially not Sandusky. What he did is one of the most despicable actions I have ever heard of. Joe made a mistake. He wasn't a perfect man. However, he is not the only guilty party and it seems like a lot of people are putting the majority of the blame in this case on him (even over Sandusky) rather than talking about ALL of those who could have stopped it or acted sooner. My question is, didn't McQueary actually witness Sandusky sodomizing a boy? I mean he was the reason why that whole "rhythmic slapping" stuff got out. So why is no one going after him? Hell he could have nipped it in the bud back in what? 2001? 2003? Whenever that was that he said he saw it go down and then the cover-up never would have happened. But whatever. It's easier for the media and whatnot to pin the blame one big iconic figure and make them the scapegoat and sacrificial lamb to the angry masses and since that scapegoat is dead and can't defend themselves, they can fling them their name all through the mud.

Either way, situations like this, along with the OJ trial, the Casey Anthony trial, and the Trayvon Martin shooting coupled with the media sensationalize the hell out of everything and pitting two sides of Americans against each other while the citizenry continuously falls into the trap several times a year is just another reason why our society forces itself further down the shitter each and every year.

Either way, I'm done with this topic as should anyone else with a lick of sense. Let the angry mob chew on their bone until the media throws them another one to chew on. Go Gamecocks and God Bless America.

Oh, DarkCock. I can't wait for you to get banned again.

Your responses seem to be a broken record of "why does everyone say 'Penn State' like the entire university had something to do w/ it, it was just a small group of men, one of whom was Paterno but wait, he just made one little mistake so don't hold him accountable, derp,derp,derp and so forth".

Do you realize there are people who are actual Penn State alumni or current students and adminsitrators who are okay w/ the sanctions? Who think that too much emphasis and power is given to the football program and Paterno in particular? You get so upset and belabor the generalization of Penn State as a whole, but then you yourself are guilty of the exact same flaw. Not everyone at Penn State worships or worshipped at the altar of Joe Paterno. All of the players were free to transfer. The fans still have games they can attend and a team they can root for.

Penn State is an instution. Institutions are comprised of people, and when the people who run said insitutions falter, make mistakes, break the rules or the law, then the institution (and the people comprising it) will suffer. I know from your previous screen name/posts in this thread that, in one of your less troll-ish posts, you said that, had the NCAA conducted its own investigation independent of the Freeh Report (which was signed off on by the BoT at Penn State, btw), and determined wrongdoing, THEN you would be comfortable w/ imposing sanctions. Is that correct?

[I Bleed Garnet]

If Bear Bryant or Nick Saban did this, the state of Alabama would be burned down.

[KaneisAble]

Originally Posted by The Roost

You have no idea how the students and alumni feel about this. They can feel remorse and sorrow for what happened to the boys and still feel that the NCAA overreacted and wrongly punished their football program. Do you really think the media is going to interview a bunch of alumni and students asking them how they feel about the victims? Hell no. That's not what gets them ratings. What gets them ratings is people's anger when the media makes it seem like they only care about the football program. There is a lot of hurt and anger in the Penn State family right now. A few of their own committed and covered up a heinous series of crimes and now they are all being punished for it and a bunch of idiots are putting the blame on the whole Penn State family (I'm looking at the idiots calling them Ped State and the fools saying that Penn State raped those kids) rather than at the guilty few. I'm sure they all feel sorry for what happen to those boys and they feel that the guilty parties should all be punished. However, they are angry at the feed using them all as a sacrificial lamb to get them a "juicy" story to stir up some ratings rather than reporting the facts and moving the hell on. The Penn State family wants to move on. They want to get over this tragedy. They want the courts to punish the guilty and let the innocent try to move on with their lives in as much peace as possible. However, the media won't let it die. They won't leave well enough alone. The NCAA caving into the idiots in the angry mob didn't help either.

If you want to know why Penn State fans/students/alumni are so angry then look no further than the media that is trying to tear down that whole school and what it actually stood for and rewrite their entire legacy because of the actions of a few despicable men. Try to look it at their prospective and understand where they are coming from before you start tossing those proverbial stones around.

If "they" (all of them, the entire "Penn State Family", right?) want to move on so badly, then why is there an appeal or article from alumni or players or Board members working to fight the sanctions? The media you want to find so much fault w/ isn't fabricating those stories, are they?

I'd also caution against making sweeping generalizations about any and everyone who agrees w/ the sanctions. Some of us understand that the "University didn't rape the kids" but also understand that medicine had to be dispensed. throwing it back in people's faces is disrespectful to the victims who may have derived a modicum of justice from someone alerting the Powers that Be and those that worshiped at Paterno's altar that some things are more important than football.

[The Roost]

Originally Posted by I Bleed Garnet

If Bear Bryant or Nick Saban did this, the state of Alabama would be burned down.

[whitlocw]

Originally Posted by DawginCola

You deserve the death penalty? For what?


Anyway, no they don't. What the University did to cover up the actions taken by Sandusky is reprehensible, but there were not NCAA violations committed.

Just b/c there isn't an NCAA rule talking about reporting child molesting does not mean they did not violate the NCAA. Multiple staff members including Paterno broke many laws and that involves the NCAA when coach's and staff members are around NCAA athletes. You're an idiot.

[Spurrier_Superior_One]

^You can't argue with NCAA haters you can show them where it falls into the jursidiction of the NCAA and it has been done countless times in this thread they just don't get it, when anything happens within an athletic department that falls under the jursidiction of the NCAA since it governs, regulates, and investigates member athletic departments. I can image how these same people might act if this was Clemson, by God they would be demanding heads and killing their program.

[CockRugby]

It is a very simple concept.

Paterno and the program got so big that the institution turned the cheek when something bad was happening.

If they turn the cheek on something that horrible, then they possibly would turn the cheek with something minor.

Therefore, the coach, the program, all got bigger than the rules of the institution.

That is what the NCAA is for. To make sure the athletics do not get so big that rules cannot be enforced.

YES, the program must suffer because the idolized and worshipped one man as if it were a cult. What Joe said was done.

[Spurrier_Superior_One]

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/201...states-campus/
Absolutely sick and henious.

[ccured]

Originally Posted by Spurrier_Superior_One

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/201...states-campus/
Absolutely sick and henious.

really? sick and heinous?

[The Roost]

I love that shirt because it's true.

[ccured]

Originally Posted by The Roost

I love that shirt because it's true.

i liked it as well

[Spurrier_Superior_One]

Originally Posted by The Roost

I love that shirt because it's true.

You know that the shirt was created as a result of the hammering. NCAA punishes a pedophile protecting unversity and they are the bad guys. They sure as hell don't get and I guess neither do you.

[I Bleed Garnet]

"NCAA hater"

little does SSO realize he was one too before this situation.

Nothing is going to change. The only reason they got involved was because the media was pushing them to be.
Bama and Auburn will still pay players and tons of stories will come out (like they have already) and they won't do anything.
So you can get back to hating the NCAA too.

[Spurrier_Superior_One]

I have criticized the NCAA for not doing enough to clean up college athletics but I have never hated the NCAA I have always supported their role.

[jdixonfan]

Originally Posted by I Bleed Garnet

Drew Brees did it.

And the Big Ten knew about it

But only because he plays in a dome. If he played outdoors there's no way he could have pulled that off.