Cowherd says Luck is a top 10 NFL QB right now...

[Legalman72]

Rogers at # 10?!?!?!?!







Har...har...kidding.

[JQ94]

You know...how is LUCK top 10 but Wilson is not...
ANDREW LUCK
5-3 record
56.5% 2,404yds 7.16avg 10TD 8INT 6Fumbles 79 rating

Russel Wilson
5-4 record
62.0% 1,639yds 7.00avg 13TD 8INT 1Fumble 87 Rating

[M.C.]

Originally Posted by ReadR00ster

1. Tom Brady

2. Drew Brees

3. Payton Manning

4. Aaron Rodgers

5. Jay Cutler

6. Matt Ryan

7. Eli Manning

8. Phillip Rivers

9. Andrew Luck

10. Matt Schaub

rivers?

[JQ94]

RIvers and Flacco are not good this year.


1. P. Manning
2. Rodgers
3. Brady
4. Ryan
5. E. Manning
6. Cutler
7. Brees
8. Schuab
9. Wilson
10. Luck


and bc I HATE the Cowboys...TOny Romo is my Favorite QB this year, watching him suck and fail makes my soul smile

[jcook84]

Originally Posted by 2four2Gamecock

any list without Eli in the top 5 is a joke. Love him or hate him, he is an outstanding NFL QB

Here's why I don't have him on my list:

The active QBs on either side of him in passer rating are Jason Campbell(82.8) and Matt Hasselbeck(82.2)

He's sixth amongst active QBs with 138 career ints. (34 more than Big Ben)

He's 31st amongst active QBs in completion % (58.6)...behind studs like JP Losman (59.2) and David Carr (59.7).

He is seventh in TD passes...but is only 17 ahead of Carson Palmer in 16 more games played.

People seem to forget the year he won his first Super Bowl, he lead the league in interceptions and only threw three more touchdowns (23) than picks (20).

Sure, he's won two rings, but that's about the extent of his prowess. And I cannot say without reservation that he was the best player on the Giants' offense either year. By that logic, Charles Haley is the greatest NFL player of all time considering he's played in and won 5 Super Bowls.

If anything, Eli is an opportunist. But, there's no way he's in my top ten, and no way in HELL he's better than half the guys on my list.

[JQ94]

Originally Posted by jcook84

Here's why I don't have him on my list:

The active QBs on either side of him in passer rating are Jason Campbell(82.8) and Matt Hasselbeck(82.2)

He's sixth amongst active QBs with 138 career ints. (34 more than Big Ben)

He's 31st amongst active QBs in completion % (58.6)...behind studs like JP Losman (59.2) and David Carr (59.7).

He is seventh in TD passes...but is only 17 ahead of Carson Palmer in 16 more games played.

People seem to forget the year he won his first Super Bowl, he lead the league in interceptions and only threw three more touchdowns (23) than picks (20).

Sure, he's won two rings, but that's about the extent of his prowess. And I cannot say without reservation that he was the best player on the Giants' offense either year. By that logic, Charles Haley is the greatest NFL player of all time considering he's played in and won 5 Super Bowls.

If anything, Eli is an opportunist. But, there's no way he's in my top ten, and no way in HELL he's better than half the guys on my list.

He wins

[jcook84]

Originally Posted by JQ94

He wins

Yeah dude, it's easy to manipulate stats to just show the ones to prove your point...but I couldn't make Eli look elite if I tried...outside of 2 Super Bowl wins, he's got nothing else that says he's great.

So, here's to Charles Haley...greatest football player of all-time.

[LegalCock]

Originally Posted by ReadR00ster

1. Tom Brady

2. Drew Brees

3. Payton Manning

4. Aaron Rodgers

5. Jay Cutler

6. Matt Ryan

7. Eli Manning

8. Phillip Rivers

9. Andrew Luck

10. Matt Schaub

This is much better, totally not in order but a decent top 10. I'd like to get Schaub out of there. I'll replace him with Ben Raplesburger.

[cockypanther]

Originally Posted by JQ94

RIvers and Flacco are not good this year.


1. P. Manning
2. Rodgers
3. Brady
4. Ryan
5. E. Manning
6. Cutler
7. Brees
8. Schuab
9. Wilson
10. Luck


and bc I HATE the Cowboys...TOny Romo is my Favorite QB this year, watching him suck and fail makes my soul smile

Cutler?... Mehhh he isn't that good. If you are ranking them, Schaub and Brees are way down on your list, of course this is my opinion and not yours. In a top 10 list I think Cutler should be ranked at the bottom of it, if at all.

[2four2Gamecock]

Originally Posted by JQ94

He wins

Clutch

[Cock Kool-Aid]

Originally Posted by JQ94

You know...how is LUCK top 10 but Wilson is not...
ANDREW LUCK
5-3 record
56.5% 2,404yds 7.16avg 10TD 8INT 6Fumbles 79 rating

Russel Wilson
5-4 record
62.0% 1,639yds 7.00avg 13TD 8INT 1Fumble 87 Rating

Because he's thrown for almost 1,000 more yards and has been winning games almost completely by himself. Basically the reasons that I stated on the first page of this thread.

[cockypanther]

Originally Posted by jcook84

Here's why I don't have him on my list:

The active QBs on either side of him in passer rating are Jason Campbell(82.8) and Matt Hasselbeck(82.2)

He's sixth amongst active QBs with 138 career ints. (34 more than Big Ben)

He's 31st amongst active QBs in completion % (58.6)...behind studs like JP Losman (59.2) and David Carr (59.7).

He is seventh in TD passes...but is only 17 ahead of Carson Palmer in 16 more games played.

People seem to forget the year he won his first Super Bowl, he lead the league in interceptions and only threw three more touchdowns (23) than picks (20).

Sure, he's won two rings, but that's about the extent of his prowess. And I cannot say without reservation that he was the best player on the Giants' offense either year. By that logic, Charles Haley is the greatest NFL player of all time considering he's played in and won 5 Super Bowls.

If anything, Eli is an opportunist. But, there's no way he's in my top ten, and no way in HELL he's better than half the guys on my list.

You failed to mention how clutch he is and how many 4th qtr or OT wins he has..

[jcook84]

Originally Posted by cockypanther

You failed to mention how clutch he is and how many 4th qtr or OT wins he has..

Yeah, I also failed to mention that for every one of those he has a game like he did yesterday.

Sure he has a lot of "come back wins", but if he played to the level that everyone wants to put him at, he wouldn't have to come from behind so often, would he?

As a matter of fact, he's got 24 comeback wins...2 fewer than Tom Brady...Impressive, right? I don't think so, considering Brady plays with the lead because he's elite. Eli plays from behind because he turns the ball over and relies too much on inaccurate deep passes to get by.

[GamecockJames]

All I know is any list that doesn't have smith as a top 10 qb is flawed

[LegalCock]

Eli plays as part of a conservative (winning) philosophy with a good defense too and has has shit for receivers at certain periods. He plays from behind because they don't sling it unless they have to, at least they didn't back when they had three good backs. He doesn't have to shoot it out like Brady and Payton because his defense is worth a shit. I would take Eli anyday of the week as a top 5 QB. Swing on my rings fantasty football lovers.

[Cock Kool-Aid]

This guy really doesn't like Eli.

[cockypanther]

Originally Posted by jcook84

Yeah, I also failed to mention that for every one of those he has a game like he did yesterday.

Sure he has a lot of "come back wins", but if he played to the level that everyone wants to put him at, he wouldn't have to come from behind so often, would he?

As a matter of fact, he's got 24 comeback wins...2 fewer than Tom Brady...Impressive, right? I don't think so, considering Brady plays with the lead because he's elite. Eli plays from behind because he turns the ball over and relies too much on inaccurate deep passes to get by.

It's tough to argue against his 2 superbowl rings and clutchness in the super bowl. I guess he threw an inaccurate deep pass to Mario Manningham on the sideline in the Super Bowl last yr? I'll take a QB who gets wins and is clutch down the stretch over stat guys any day. Sure you would like to have both, but gotta take the wins man.

[jcook84]

Originally Posted by Cock Kool-Aid

This guy really doesn't like Eli.

Yeah, I really don't.

Only guy in the NFL that I hate more is Romo.

[LegalCock]

He broke your heart didn't he? He took your dreams and turned them into endorsement opportunities. romo is ok, you just gotta' remember he was like a 10th round pick.

[jcook84]

Naw, he didn't break my heart.

I don't care too much for New England. And the Giants beat my Skins like a drum no matter who the QB is.

I also think that Archie is a tool. He was a horrible NFL QB who's opinion all of a sudden carries weight because he's got good sperm.

I do, however, like Peyton. He's a funny lookin' dude, but he's probably the best QB to ever put on a jock.