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Old 11-06-2012, 05:49 PM   #61
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Maybe back to back baseball championships has made SC a school that is known by everyone!
In the state yes.
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i bet most sports followers are aware, in some capacity, of us being in the cws 3 years straight.
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Old 11-06-2012, 06:27 PM   #63
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i bet most sports followers are aware, in some capacity, of us being in the cws 3 years straight.
Reasonable.

But I bet you more know about the hiring of Frank Martin
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But I bet you more know about the hiring of Frank Martin
I doubt it. Frank Martin isn't Calapari or Bobby Knight. In fact, until SC hired him, I'm pretty sure most people in SC hadn't ever heard of him, let alone sports fans across the country.
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Being an immigrant from England who went to college here for a year and then came back, the overwhelming impression I got from people was that Clemson was considered to be all the redneck trash.
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I doubt it. Frank Martin isn't Calapari or Bobby Knight. In fact, until SC hired him, I'm pretty sure most people in SC hadn't ever heard of him, let alone sports fans across the country.
Made front page news on ESPN.com.

I'm not saying that is the end all. But they play for ratings.

I wouldn't doubt it, but baseball isn't the reason we are more popular than Clemson nationally.
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Made front page news on ESPN.com.

I'm not saying that is the end all. But they play for ratings.

I wouldn't doubt it, but baseball isn't the reason we are more popular than Clemson nationally.
I agree with you about baseball, although I'll say basketball definitely isn't the reason either.
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I agree with you about baseball, although I'll say basketball definitely isn't the reason either.
I wasn't saying it was.

Was just using a comparison.
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Our baseball team playing the past three years in the CWS, along with Coach Ray brought us more media attention than clemsuck has had since 81.
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This is about to turn into a biased hissy fit but that is not the feeling I get at all. Clemson seems to be supported by the white collar crowd and SC seems to get the blue collar support. Clemson ranks higher in the USNWR ratings, has higher acceptance standards, and have higher initial and average lifetime earnings (this are facts not smack). Because SC is in the SEC they get more of the redneck stereotypes on the national stage. You guys are associated with Alabama, Mississippi, and Tennessee. We get grouped with UVA, UNC, and GT.
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reading a lot about the history of the two schools this image of Clemson being more "white collar" or "elitist" actually only came about after WWII before that ..USC was viewed as more "elitist" and clemson was more "blue collar" however after WWII USC started to accept soldiers returning home with GI Bill and clemson for some reason did not or not to the same level and the views and mission of the two schools seem to switch where USC became more a university of the people whose goal was to educate the citizens of SC and clemson limited their numbers and growth to become more difficult to get into. just thought the switch of perception of the two schools was interesting
I've read that too. I think that in the past that has been the case, but i also think that the tide is turning the other way. Seeing that an increasing people under 30 would choose Carolina is evidence of that.

In the past 10 years since I started at Carolina, there has been a significant cultural shift. My perception is that Carolina is more progressive and successful than it has been in the past. I've seen reports about how USC is an "up and coming" university, and we've been added to many prestigious and selective lists for the work and research that is being done. On top of that, fundraising and research at Carolina has out paced itself every year for the past 5-8 years- even during the recession! The $1billion goal for the capital campaign set a new standard for excellence in SC. I can go on, but I'm preaching to the choir here. The success of the higher profile athletics programs only reinforces what is happening academically.

Clemson has it's place in the world, and it is a good university too. I hold degrees from both institutions, so I have a lot of respect for what Clemson is trying to do. I do, however, take issue with the way that they seem to be doing it. I won't derail this thread, but my general sentiment is that I feel Clemson is trying too hard to be "elite" when it just isn't there yet. You aren't an elite university if you have to effectively say "we're elite! we're elite!" I also don't care for the undeserved arrogance that is associated with Clemson.

More importantly, I want both Clemson and Carolina to reach "elite" status some day, because ultimately that is better for South Carolina as a whole. Better education leads to more success as a state.

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My anecdotal evidence from travels across the country for work indicates otherwise. I often end up talking with strangers at bars, on airplanes, etc, about college football...and always end up asking the strangers' thoughts on both SC and Clemson. I have yet to come across anyone that has anything good to say about Clemson.
My experience out of state is that IF people have heard of Clemson, they don't know where it is, and they think it's a private school. Universities named for people rather than states tend to be private, and Clemson is among the few exceptions to that rule (along with Perdue, maybe Auburn)
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I've read that too. I think that in the past that has been the case, but i also think that the tide is turning the other way. Seeing that an increasing people under 30 would choose Carolina is evidence of that.

In the past 10 years since I started at Carolina, there has been a significant cultural shift. My perception is that Carolina is more progressive and successful than it has been in the past. I've seen reports about how USC is an "up and coming" university, and we've been added to many prestigious and selective lists for the work and research that is being done. On top of that, fundraising and research at Carolina has out paced itself every year for the past 5-8 years- even during the recession! The $1billion goal for the capital campaign set a new standard for excellence in SC. I can go on, but I'm preaching to the choir here. The success of the higher profile athletics programs only reinforces what is happening academically.

Clemson has it's place in the world, and it is a good university too. I hold degrees from both institutions, so I have a lot of respect for what Clemson is trying to do. I do, however, take issue with the way that they seem to be doing it. I won't derail this thread, but my general sentiment is that I feel Clemson is trying too hard to be "elite" when it just isn't there yet. You aren't an elite university if you have to effectively say "we're elite! we're elite!" I also don't care for the undeserved arrogance that is associated with Clemson.

More importantly, I want both Clemson and Carolina to reach "elite" status some day, because ultimately that is better for South Carolina as a whole. Better education leads to more success as a state.



My experience out of state is that IF people have heard of Clemson, they don't know where it is, and they think it's a private school. Universities named for people rather than states tend to be private, and Clemson is among the few exceptions to that rule (along with Perdue, maybe Auburn)
I'll go out on a limb and guess that you got your "Spelling Colleges for 100" degree from Clemson.
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I'll go out on a limb and guess that you got your "Spelling Colleges for 100" degree from Clemson.
Lol, let's just say it made them uncomfortable when I used words with more than two syllables.
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Since you guys are centrally located within the state and Clemson is practically in Georgia, you are closer to probably 70% of the State's population as well. A lot of people when I travel do not even realize that Clemson is in SC.
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Maybe the sampling survey underrepresented the agricultural and pizza delivery industry?

Seriously, some of this is just common sense. USC is bigger, we're in the SEC, we get more TV exposure, and we do not wear purple and orange. Not a big mystery here.
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Maybe the sampling survey underrepresented the agricultural and pizza delivery industry?

Seriously, some of this is just common sense. USC is bigger, we're in the SEC, we get more TV exposure, and we do not wear purple and orange. Not a big mystery here.
And we aren't called "Clemson"... I mean wtf is a "Clemson"... THE University of South Carolina is self-explanatory.
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