In order to be great, you must first become consistently good..

[Metalrush24]

Originally Posted by ReadR00ster

It seems more like people are crying about people crying about it now, to me.

well that's your perspective..


it's a problem in the fan base because a lot of the fans know how to handle it, but now that we've actually been constantly good, there is a percentage of fans that are slow to adjust and cry every game because it didn't go the way they wanted it to.


I, for one, am not crying.

[ReadR00ster]

Originally Posted by cofcgamecock9

We should be celebrating. It is sad that you can't see that. We should continue to expect more, but why in the world would you not be celebrating what is going on at SC???

Again, if the new head coach at Kentucky doesn't win the SEC in 8 years, but shows the same improvement we have had in those eight years, would you consider his coaching tenure a complete failure??

If it's good enough for you to celebrate it, than celebrate it. But that is not what I am interested in celebrating. I'll celebrate our individual wins. But general improvement is not going to do it for me. We really didn't improve this year in my opinion anyway. I think we were better last year. Basically you are asking me celebrate only being slightly worse than last year. I've moved on from the years we've stunk. Talking about those days is not ever going to influence how I feel ever again. They might as well not have happened. So you might not as well ever bring those times up.

[Metalrush24]

Originally Posted by klempsux

So I'm a bad fan for being upset that our team didn't play up to their potential this year? (Really only the Fla game though, can't hate on a hard fought loss to LSU) Is there not room for disappointment at the current year balanced with the realization that we are on the upswing in a big way? There's a whole lot of area between the two extremes that people put out there as the only ways people are capable of feeling. I'm extremely happy with the direction of the program, but I'm not going to hide disappointment that we could be in the national title picture now.

be upset after the season.. not during..

[cofcgamecock9]

so readrooster and clempsux, what do you think we should do then??

Honest question. You can't just "hope for better" if you don't think it is getting done. You think the season is a failure so what would you do that involved ACTION?????? Bitching about it does no good if you don't want change also.

So should we get a new head coach?? Serious question. Because to both of you, Spurrier is completely underachieving with the "talent" on our team. I don't agree with this, but it is obviously your assessment since you feel we are the best team in the East, hands down.

So is it time for a coaching change at the top?? If not, then what actual ACTION would you take?? And don't say playing a different player, because tht is part of the coaching decisions. So if you think a different player should be playing, then you think a different coach should be coaching because he is the one putting that player in the game.

[klempsux]

Originally Posted by Metalrush24

be upset after the season.. not during..

I'll generally be happier after the season when we're hopefully sitting with a top ten ranking and looking forward to next year. Seeing Georgia and Florida thrown out as possible national title contenders is not fun when it could have been (and was for that glorious post-UGA week) us. Still got a chance for a great year though.

[cofcgamecock9]

Originally Posted by ReadR00ster

If it's good enough for you to celebrate it, than celebrate it. But that is not what I am interested in celebrating. I'll celebrate our individual wins. But general improvement is not going to do it for me. We really didn't improve this year in my opinion anyway. I think we were better last year. Basically you are asking me celebrate only being slightly worse than last year. I've moved on from the years we've stunk. Talking about those days is not ever going to influence how I feel ever again. They might as well not have happened. So you might not as well ever bring those times up.

So as I just asked, whats your answer then? The program is a failure in your eyes, so does the coach need to go?? Serious question.

Because back to my sales rep analogy, it would be pretty stupid of me to sit back and think my sales force was a "failure" and huge disappointment, but then not make any changes.

So our team is a failure in your eyes. Who needs to go???

[Metalrush24]

Originally Posted by klempsux

I'll generally be happier after the season when we're hopefully sitting with a top ten ranking and looking forward to next year. Seeing Georgia and Florida thrown out as possible national title contenders is not fun when it could have been (and was for that glorious post-UGA week) us. Still got a chance for a great year though.

yeah.. that's what I'm trying to say, I guess


though, I think a lot of it is thinking about the "what could have been" that holds fans back

I just think it's dumb to see some fans giving up on the season for whatever reason already

[ReadR00ster]

Originally Posted by Metalrush24

well that's your perspective..


it's a problem in the fan base because a lot of the fans know how to handle it, but now that we've actually been constantly good, there is a percentage of fans that are slow to adjust and cry every game because it didn't go the way they wanted it to.


I, for one, am not crying.

I'm not crying either. It's done and coped with. But things like losing games I think we should win. Not finishing where I think we should finish. I'm not going to ever be happy when that happens and pretend that I'm fine with it. I accept it, not liking it, and tell myself we'll get them next time. I don't care how bad we were in the past. Those were different teams that this team should doesn't deserve to even be compared to.

[klempsux]

Originally Posted by cofcgamecock9

assumptions taken from god knows where

I don't see how you got any of that from what I posted. Believe it or not their are people who are capable of rationally thinking about football. I'm not advocating any changes at all. It is possible to be excited about the programs direction while still realizing that the season could have been better.

[klempsux]

Originally Posted by Metalrush24

yeah.. that's what I'm trying to say, I guess


though, I think a lot of it is thinking about the "what could have been" that holds fans back

I just think it's dumb to see some fans giving up on the season for whatever reason already

Can't give up on a season when we've still got some jackasses in orange to play.

[cofcgamecock9]

Originally Posted by klempsux

I don't see how you got any of that from what I posted. Believe it or not their are people who are capable of rationally thinking about football. I'm not advocating any changes at all. It is possible to be excited about the programs direction while still realizing that the season could have been better.

well then you aren't talking about the same thing I am talking about. I agree that the season could have been better. I can promise you that I am not happy we fumbled away the Florida game.

But there are still things to build on and that was what this thread is about. There were people after the Florida game that said the "season is over" and a complete "failure".

If you are excited about the direction the program is headed with the coaching staff we have in place, then you are not who I am talking about at all.

[ReadR00ster]

Originally Posted by cofcgamecock9

So as I just asked, whats your answer then? The program is a failure in your eyes, so does the coach need to go?? Serious question.

Because back to my sales rep analogy, it would be pretty stupid of me to sit back and think my sales force was a "failure" and huge disappointment, but then not make any changes.

So our team is a failure in your eyes. Who needs to go???

The team is not a complete failure, they failed to win a big game on the road in two chances. They failed to reach Atlanta as was their goal. The year is disappointing but only by one game. Heads don't need to roll they just need to figure out how to win one more game on the schedule. Especially road games. They did enough to keep the excitement alive for next year. That is about it. So as long as they didn't kill that they are still accomplished something.

[klempsux]

Originally Posted by cofcgamecock9

well then you aren't talking about the same thing I am talking about. I agree that the season could have been better. I can promise you that I am not happy we fumbled away the Florida game.

But there are still things to build on and that was what this thread is about. There were people after the Florida game that said the "season is over" and a complete "failure".

If you are excited about the direction the program is headed with the coaching staff we have in place, then you are not who I am talking about at all.

And that ladies and gentlemen may be the first internet argument solved with rational discussion.

[Goofyboy]

There's plenty of room for disappointment with this year's record. I think Alabama's fans have plenty of room for disappointment that their team lost to A&M because they couldn't tackle. They were sluggish on offense. They still should be playing for the NC instead of teams like ND, K State, and Oregon, but that's the state of the NCAA. They blew that chance but they expect to be back again - and so should we. In our league, you get beaten up and weary and then still have to play another top team - then sometimes another after that. Saban said after their loss that they were down and not sharp. We play in a tough league.

[cofcgamecock9]

Originally Posted by ReadR00ster

The team is not a complete failure, they failed to win a big game on the road in two chances. They failed to reach Atlanta as was their goal. The year is disappointing but only by one game. Heads don't need to roll they just need to figure out how to win one more game on the schedule. Especially road games. They did enough to keep the excitement alive for next year. That is about it. So as long as they didn't kill that they are still accomplished something.

No, they failed to reach ONE of their goals. You must not listen to Spurrier very much.

Ok, so lets go back to the original point of this thread and the quote by Everette Sands. You said that they "just need to figure out how to win one more game". How do you think that is done?? Isn't that the ENTIRE point of my post and Everette's quote?? It is done by learning how to become consistently good before you become great. That you have to learn to walk before you can run??

Eight years ago, SC had to learn how to beat any game that they were in late in the game. We never pulled out a close game. EVER! Then, we had to learn how to beat UGA, Florida, Clemson. But we started doing those things. Those things started back a few years ago. Were those seasons failures?? Or were they seasons that Coach Spurrier is building upon?? We did go to Atlanta in 2010, but we were also 5-3. We have been 6-2 for the past two seasons. So please don't give me the argument that we are going backwards. That would sound like Clemson fans who think they accomplished something by winning the ACC.

[Cockhornleghorn]

Originally Posted by ReadR00ster

If it's good enough for you to celebrate it, than celebrate it. But that is not what I am interested in celebrating. I'll celebrate our individual wins. But general improvement is not going to do it for me. We really didn't improve this year in my opinion anyway. I think we were better last year. Basically you are asking me celebrate only being slightly worse than last year. I've moved on from the years we've stunk. Talking about those days is not ever going to influence how I feel ever again. They might as well not have happened. So you might not as well ever bring those times up.

I totally disagree - we lost at home to an unranked team last season and to a top ten team on the road. Our two losses this season were on the road to 2 teams that were top ten when we played them and are still in the top ten. We also haven't had any close wins this season, other than Vanderbilt on the road.

[CockLurker]

Originally Posted by Cockhornleghorn

I totally disagree - we lost at home to an unranked team last season and to a top ten team on the road. Our two losses this season were on the road to 2 teams that were top ten when we played them and are still in the top ten. We also haven't had any close wins this season, other than Vanderbilt on the road.

Tenn*

[cofcgamecock9]

Well I said my thoughts in my original post. Obviously not going to change people's minds so oh well.

Personally, though, I am glad that I choose to enjoy what is going on at SC with the football program instead of seeing it as a "failure." I am disappointed when we lose. I was as sick as anyone after the Florida loss, I can assure you of that. I was sick because we never even gave ourselves a chance. But the difference is that I choose to look at the bigger picture.

I guess the main difference is in the saying "you can't control what happens to you, but you can control how you react to it." None of us could control that disappointing game against Florida. None of us where happy and singing "we are the world" after that game. But I do choose not to come on a message board and trash the team and coaches and call the season a "failure" when the program is improving and anyone with two eyes can see that.

I am glad that I actually got to enjoy what Ray Tanner did with our program and how he built it. When SC finally won it all, I didn't feel like a fair weather fan that said "this program is a failure" until they won it all and then all of a sudden said "Hey, I am a Gamecock baseball fan and we are the best."

Nope, I SUPPORTED them through those years because I believed in what they were doing even when the results didn't bear that out.

ReadRooster, you do realize that it took Ray Tanner well over 8 years to win a National Championship in baseball correct?? Just checking. So was the baseball team a failure in years 8, 9, 10, 11, etc??

ReadRooster, do you believe in what the football coaches are doing at SC??? Do you believe in them?? If so, then you should start supporting them instead of calling everything a failure. If you don't believe in them, then you should start emailing Ray Tanner and asking for a new coach to be hired.

[ReadR00ster]

Originally Posted by Cockhornleghorn

I totally disagree - we lost at home to an unranked team last season and to a top ten team on the road. Our two losses this season were on the road to 2 teams that were top ten when we played them and are still in the top ten. We also haven't had any close wins this season, other than Vanderbilt on the road.

Clemson game might decide it. Using my eyes only, I think we were better last year. Anyways, a point didn't make yet, a program doesn't ever really shake that "mediocrity" tag until they actually win that first championship. Because until that happens, people just can see this team as champions. It's a simplistic, maybe lame, psychological thing. But it's true. Other programs are showing recruits their huge trophy cases. And they look at ours, and it's measly. It has an effect.

[ReadR00ster]

Originally Posted by cofcgamecock9

Well I said my thoughts in my original post. Obviously not going to change people's minds so oh well.

Personally, though, I am glad that I choose to enjoy what is going on at SC with the football program instead of seeing it as a "failure." I am disappointed when we lose. I was as sick as anyone after the Florida loss, I can assure you of that. I was sick because we never even gave ourselves a chance. But the difference is that I choose to look at the bigger picture.

I guess the main difference is in the saying "you can't control what happens to you, but you can control how you react to it." None of us could control that disappointing game against Florida. None of us where happy and singing "we are the world" after that game. But I do choose not to come on a message board and trash the team and coaches and call the season a "failure" when the program is improving and anyone with two eyes can see that.

I am glad that I actually got to enjoy what Ray Tanner did with our program and how he built it. When SC finally won it all, I didn't feel like a fair weather fan that said "this program is a failure" until they won it all and then all of a sudden said "Hey, I am a Gamecock baseball fan and we are the best."

Nope, I SUPPORTED them through those years because I believed in what they were doing even when the results didn't bear that out.

ReadRooster, you do realize that it took Ray Tanner well over 8 years to win a National Championship in baseball correct?? Just checking. So was the baseball team a failure in years 8, 9, 10, 11, etc??

ReadRooster, do you believe in what the football coaches are doing at SC??? Do you believe in them?? If so, then you should start supporting them instead of calling everything a failure. If you don't believe in them, then you should start emailing Ray Tanner and asking for a new coach to be hired.

Again. I am not asking for a National Championship. Just asking to get back to Atlanta. It didn't happen this year, maybe next. oh well.