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Old 11-15-2012, 12:37 PM   #41
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If he had handed the ball off to the RB, he would have gotten 10+ yards (maybe). Devin was caught outside and a blocker was getting the LB(?).
Ummm doubtful- Clowney was moving in to tackle him and then read the play beautifully and broke back to the QB. Clowney could have definitely tackled the RB for a loss or no gain still had he continued to pursue the RB.
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Old 11-15-2012, 12:39 PM   #42
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Actually he is not supposed to....his job, on that play is to sell the run right with the idea that the DE will crash the play (biting on the fake to the RB). This is supposed to open it up for the QB to keep left but nobody expects a DE to be able to actually start crashing in and then turn on a dime and just swallow your QB. There are VERY FEW DE that will ever pull that off. Clowney is just Clowney.
Yeah I realize that, but I don't believe this is a good playcall vs a manimal like Clowney. Maybe run that towards Devin Taylor's side as you may have a better chance. You should never leave Clowney unblocked or things like this will happen.
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Old 11-15-2012, 01:22 PM   #43
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8.5........5 shy of tying the all-time single season record, held by many (Norwood and Ingram being the most recent)...
Just want to clarify some incorrect information floating around in this thread and apparently, on ESPN.

The Single Season record for sacks is 10. Andrew Provence and Melvin Ingram share that record. Eric Norwood only had 9 in a single season.

According to ESPN, Clowney has 9.5 sacks. According to GamecocksOnline, he has 8.5 sacks. The video in the original post was scored as a Tackle for Loss, not a sack. ESPN counted it as a sack, I assume, because GamecocksOnline shows 0 sacks for Clowney against Arkansas.

Other outlets, like Sports Illustrated, counted the tackle against Wilson as a sack. Who is right and correct with sack total?
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Old 11-15-2012, 01:36 PM   #45
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They announced it in the stadium as a sack too
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They announced it in the stadium as a sack too
The official stats do not show it as a sack. You can't take what an announcer says for fact. They are just that...an announcer.
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Clowney has 9.5 sacks. He had 7.5 after Florida. He had one against Tennessee and one against Arkansas. 7.5 + 1 + 1 = 9.5
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Clowney has 9.5 sacks. He had 7.5 after Florida. He had one against Tennessee and one against Arkansas. 7.5 + 1 + 1 = 9.5
Did you not read what I wrote?

The official stat sheet DID NOT RECORD THE TACKLE ON WILSON AS A SACK. It was recorded as a Tackle for Loss and in all publications for this weekends game, the statistics for game and season, and press releases are showing him with 8.5 sacks.

Not trying to be a dick, but it is frustrating to explain myself with references and have two people just come in with "he has 9.5" as fact without addressing the issues I listed. I am not saying you are wrong...but how can we know what is right when someone like ESPN/SI says one thing and our official score sheet with GamecocksOnline shows another?
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From Wikipedia: "a sack occurs when the quarterback is tackled behind the line of scrimmage before he can throw a forward pass, or when the quarterback is tackled behind the line of scrimmage in the "pocket" and the intent of what he was going to do is unclear."

Sounds like it could go either way. It looks to be a zone read but Tyler Wilson was still in the pocket and could have been rolling out to throw the ball. Clowney didn't give Wilson enough time after the fake handoff to do anything.

From various sources Clowney's sack total for the year: ESPN 9.5, CBSsports 9.5, cfbstats.com 9.5, Gamecocksonline 8.5, NCAA.org 8

Painted on the stadium, Eric Norwood's career sack record is shown as 29. Various sources: Gamecocksonline 29, ESPN 29, NCAA.org 26

As far as I can tell, we don't use NCAA.org's stats, we use either Gamecocksonline or ESPN. They're in disagreement this year so Clowney has either 9.5 or 8.5. We'll probably have to wait and see at the end of the season.
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Guys, don't worry about it. That's why they list both "sacks" and TFL's in the stats. I don't care what they call it, I just want to see JD#7 destroy opposing players...
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Nice play but his best play of the year was the sack of Tyler Bray.
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Guys, don't worry about it. That's why they list both "sacks" and TFL's in the stats. I don't care what they call it, I just want to see JD#7 destroy opposing players...
Yeah, no big deal. Just a school record we are talking about, who cares how accurate it is?
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Yeah, no big deal. Just a school record we are talking about, who cares how accurate it is?
He's got 3 games. He'll get it. No stress.
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Nice play but his best play of the year was the sack of Tyler Bray.
I stand corrected.



Serious question tho, if he fumbled the ball before he went down, is it recorded as a sack, a forced fumble or both? You can't tackle someone if they don't have the ball.
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Wilson was doing exactly what shaw does in the zone read.... when shaw gets tackled trying to run... its a TFL. Im with ya ColaCock. When i saw the title of the Youtube Vid and then Clowney tackle him... my first thought was "thats not a sack"
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Serious question tho, if he fumbled the ball before he went down, is it recorded as a sack, a forced fumble or both? You can't tackle someone if they don't have the ball.
Forced fumble is just an extra statistic, so a sack is also recorded (or tackle) whenever a fumble occurs.

You could get credit for a forced fumble, sack, tackle, fumble recovery, and TD all on the same play.

FYI, you get credit for a tackle as well as a sack whenever you take down the QB.
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I thought his best MOVE in the game came on Arkansas' first TD, actually. He puts a swim move on the O lineman that is unlike anything I've ever seen. It looked like the tackle didn't even know he had gone by. Wilson got the ball off literally a half second before clowney would've destroyed him and broken up the play. But the move itself was phenomenal.

His best sack was the bray sack, considering UT's OLine, the situation of the game, the athleticism, etc. I just love watching him play.
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Old 11-15-2012, 11:16 PM   #58
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I'm going to have to disagree with that. They didn't bother to block him one bit. There was one he had against Missouri that stands out in my head.
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