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Old 11-29-2012, 03:45 AM   #101
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Default Re: Manti Te'o or Johnny Manziel For Heisman?

Manziel will win it in the coming years (assuming his numbers dont decline dramatically) , but he prob wont get the nod because of his class status. I personally dont agree with that, I believe the best player deservers the best award, regardless of class...
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Old 11-29-2012, 04:05 AM   #102
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Manziel will win it in the coming years (assuming his numbers dont decline dramatically) , but he prob wont get the nod because of his class status. I personally dont agree with that, I believe the best player deservers the best award, regardless of class...

None of the above........I pick Jadaveon Clowney, he's not a finalist and b/c of the fact he's a sophomore he wont get it plus defensive players rarely get it but Jadaveon is most deserving of it in the nation.And I'm not just sayin that b/c I'm a Gamecock fan the kids a beast like it or not
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Old 11-29-2012, 04:13 AM   #103
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I would put Jarvis Jones ahead of Manti Te'o and I don't think Jarvis Jones even deserves an invite to NYC. Don't get me wrong. They are both fantastic football players! Heisman Trophy winners?? Egh... not in my opinion. I think Te'o would be mid-upper of the talent in the SEC. The only reason he gets so much attention is because he plays for the "best team ever to grace planet earth", Notre Dame. Once again, I'm not talking trash about Te'o. He is a great guy and player. I'm just saying that their are SEVERAL players in the country deserving of the Heisman trophy more so than a defensive player whose stats came from competition such as Boston College, Wake Forest, Pitt, Navy, etc...
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Old 11-29-2012, 08:39 AM   #104
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No love for Barner? Weird.
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Old 11-29-2012, 08:52 AM   #105
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No love for Barner? Weird.
I stopped with the "love" after they've had a guy/guys rush for over 1500 yards the past 5 years.

He's a product of the offense IMO.

Give Chip Kelly some kind of award for that.
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Old 11-29-2012, 08:54 AM   #106
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I stopped with the "love" after they've had a guy/guys rush for over 1500 yards the past 5 years.

He's a product of the offense IMO.

Give Chip Kelly some kind of award for that.
I could make the same argument that Manziel is a product of Sumlin's offense. It's gonna take a year or two before the D coordinators in the SEC find a way to slow it down.
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I could make the same argument that Manziel is a product of Sumlin's offense. It's gonna take a year or two before the D coordinators in the SEC find a way to slow it down.
You could but he's the first one to do it in the SEC.

After it starts happening a few years down the road (like the Hype Leach's guys got then fizzle, as it is a Leach offense)

You'll stop hearing about heisman hype from these guys.
Timing is all part of it.
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Old 11-29-2012, 09:03 AM   #108
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You could but he's the first one to do it in the SEC.

After it starts happening a few years down the road (like the Hype Leach's guys got then fizzle, as it is a Leach offense)

You'll stop hearing about heisman hype from these guys.
Timing is all part of it.
Besides at the end of the day, isn't every player a product of the "system"? Tebow, LaMichael James, Cam, RG3, Geno Smith, etc.
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Besides at the end of the day, isn't every player a product of the "system"? Tebow, LaMichael James, Cam, RG3, Geno Smith, etc.
Yea but Oregon's is a gimmick system, at least the Air raid translates closer to the pro game now days
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Old 11-29-2012, 10:40 AM   #110
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One bad game against one of the best 3 defenses in the country disqualifies him from the award. I watched 100 college games this year and there isn't anyone in the country that can do what he does with the football.....the RB from Oregon is good, but he can't throw.
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So against the 3 best defenses he faced, he had a total of 3 TDs and 3 Ints. Seems like a Heisman winner should play his best against the best. These stats seem to prove that everyone is only looking at beating Bama and the stats built against bad teams.
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No real opinion here but I would like to commend the majority for using Manziel's actual name and would propose to those in power that any using of his nickname be deleted immediately. He is this years honey badger.
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