Shaw or Thompson

[smoovecock]

Originally Posted by pantera17

I don't understand this arguement. When has Shaw ever blasted a great SEC D? Shaw has thrown for 300 yards only twice. And it was agast uk and a terrible Arky squad. USB and Clemson. Not that big of a drop off.

Spurrier said ot best "everytime he starts ot seems he throws 300 yards and three TDs."

People act like shaw rips up good Ds

....Where is it that I stated Shaw blasted a SEC defense....??...Im just stating that if not for Shaw being able to run out of the pocket and make things happen we would have lost a lot more ballgames than we have in the last 2 years.....Our Oline is not quite there yet and Shaws mobility negates some of the problems we have had there...

[smoovecock]

Not to mention as of right now...Shaw will end up winning more ballgames than any QB in the history of our program....He is a winner and will contiune to be...

[klempsux]

Originally Posted by Evilchicken2

Connor gives us a better chance to win against stout defenses because of his ability to run out of the pocket. Dylan has the better arm, but he looks like a bag of dirty laundry when he starts running.

16-3. Nuff said.

I'd counter that good defenses more or less negate his running. He had negative yards against both FLA and LSU this year, 42 against Nebraska in the bowl but only 2.2 a carry. Georgia this year is the only team he's been rather successful running on a good defense.

[doc]

Originally Posted by KaneisAble

3 straight plays of holding on to it too long, scrambling right and collapsing into the arms of a linebacker followed by a punt is a type of "turnover".

That's why DT needs more snaps.

[usc1]

I wanna see DT play against a good D before I crown him the starter.

[KaneisAble]

Originally Posted by Evilchicken2

Connor gives us a better chance to win against stout defenses because of his ability to run out of the pocket. Dylan has the better arm, but he looks like a bag of dirty laundry when he starts running.

16-3. Nuff said.

But his ability to run out of the pocket is negated by his inability to check down to his receivers or get rid of the ball in a timely fashion. It makes the offense incredibly 1-dimensional.

[KaneisAble]

Originally Posted by klempsux

I'd counter that good defenses more or less negate his running. He had negative yards against both FLA and LSU this year, 42 against Nebraska in the bowl but only 2.2 a carry. Georgia this year is the only team he's been rather successful running on a good defense.

Exactly. And once good teams negate his running and he himself negates his passing, we lose.

[smoovecock]

We also have to remember that Shaw has been hurt for the last month and a half...That is one reason Shaws running stats have been lacking in the last 4 games or so.....

[klempsux]

Originally Posted by smoovecock

We also have to remember that Shaw has been hurt for the last month and a half...That is one reason Shaws running stats have been lacking in the last 4 games or so.....

That's why I didn't bring up his equally poor rushing stats against Tenn, Ark, Wofford.

[B&GSpur]

It would be interesting to know how the same people would have voted back in the beginning of the season.

[ReadR00ster]

Kapernik

[pantera17]

Originally Posted by smoovecock

....Where is it that I stated Shaw blasted a SEC defense....??...Im just stating that if not for Shaw being able to run out of the pocket and make things happen we would have lost a lot more ballgames than we have in the last 2 years.....Our Oline is not quite there yet and Shaws mobility negates some of the problems we have had there...

I wasn't really talking about you. Haha. Just in general.

[uscsandstorm85]

Originally Posted by smoovecock

....Where is it that I stated Shaw blasted a SEC defense....??...Im just stating that if not for Shaw being able to run out of the pocket and make things happen we would have lost a lot more ballgames than we have in the last 2 years.....Our Oline is not quite there yet and Shaws mobility negates some of the problems we have had there...

Agreed

Remember, He has been hurt ALL SEASON LONG. I have a feeling that when the spring game comes around, his performance will change a lot of peoples opinions about him.

[b381l]

Originally Posted by smoovecock

We also have to remember that Shaw has been hurt for the last month and a half...That is one reason Shaws running stats have been lacking in the last 4 games or so.....

Shaw got hurt against Vandy and I don't think he has fully recovered the entire season.

[b381l]

Originally Posted by uscsandstorm85

Agreed

Remember, He has been hurt ALL SEASON LONG. I have a feeling that when the spring game comes around, his performance will change a lot of peoples opinions about him.

What's going to happen in the Spring game that will be worth noting.....remember, no hitting the QB so I don't put much into the spring game for QB's.

[Cocky2001]

Granted, Shaw has been hurt this season, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that last season one of the greatest receivers we have ever had (Alshon Jeffery just to be clear) had a dismal year because we (Shaw) could not get the ball to him on anything close to a consistent basis. What were Ace Sanders' numbers like? Passing is not his forte, running is, and to be the team we claim to want to be, we are going to have to have a balanced offensive attack.

[Bozy]

When I saw how many pages, I decided not to read. Since the first game I saw DT, I noticed his "range" of passing the ball to many different receivers.

He sees the field in a way that Shaw can't. He sees the entire field, all the receivers, and knows where they should be, and throws it so when they come out of their cuts or moves, the ball is there.

Shaw can't make the throws he can. Please, look at the stats. When Shaw plays, over 90% of our receivers are nullified because he just won't throw to them. It is clear he does not trust them, and had rather run to be the hero. DT, lets the receivers be the stars and get the glory. Shaw is a glory hound or else he would hang in there, see the entire field and get the ball to the receivers instead of looking for any excuse to run it himself.

We need a QB who can throw, Shaw can't. He can only get in it the "general area" of a receiver, and then, he will only look for one receiver on each play and that is always his favorite. Remember how many times last year he did not throw to the open man instead always trying to hit AJ with the ball?

However, I think he makes a great backup.

[Dizzy01]

The thing I always love about threads like this is the contradictions that always come from people who are trying to support the same opinion.

We've learned that Alshon had a bad season last year because Shaw wouldn't throw him the ball but the rest of the receivers also had bad years because Shaw wouldn't throw the ball to anyone but Alshon.

We also know that Shaw doesn't see the field because he only looks for his favorite receiver and misses the open guys but if you look at the box scores from Shaw's starts you'll often see 7+ different receivers with receptions so he must have a lot of favorite receivers.

[gripitandripit2007]

Originally Posted by klempsux

I don't think people are saying Shaw is a bad player or anything, they just want him to get the ball out. If he starts reading the defense and going through progressions instead of taking off, he could be elite. Dylan has half as many yards as Shaw does (counting their net rushing yards) in a third as many games. I'll grant you that he hasn't played as many good defenses as Shaw, but against the great defenses you claim Shaw has proven himself against, he has 249 passing yards which is less than any game Dylan has started. Dylan also had more yards against Florida than Shaw did. Dylan's QB rating is also a mere 22 points less than Shaw's, despite the fact that he will try to throw down the field, if that's what you want to hang your hat on.

Dylan should have half as many with the D's he has played against...given what Connor has done against bad D's...common sense tells you Connor would have done just as good if not better than what Dylan did. And the good D's I am referring to wasn't just limited to this year...he played some good passing D's last year. Dylan did have about 10 more yards than Shaw BUT he threw a pic too...and this has been my point. While I want Connor to get the ball out a little quicker like most do...he holds it to make sure he is making the right pass...and I would rather have that than a pic ANY DAY!!! And Dylan don't throw down field that much more than Connor...QB rating is 22 pts higher but Dylan only throws one more yard per attempt than Connor! Lol Numbers don't lie!

[klempsux]

Originally Posted by Dizzy01

The thing I always love about threads like this is the contradictions that always come from people who are trying to support the same opinion.

We've learned that Alshon had a bad season last year because Shaw wouldn't throw him the ball but the rest of the receivers also had bad years because Shaw wouldn't throw the ball to anyone but Alshon.

We also know that Shaw doesn't see the field because he only looks for his favorite receiver and misses the open guys but if you look at the box scores from Shaw's starts you'll often see 7+ different receivers with receptions so he must have a lot of favorite receivers.

Shaw only looks for 1 receiver. He will complete passes to multiple guys, but he's locked in on that guy as its usually the dump off pass.