Shaw or Thompson

[pantera17]

I still don't understand this.

You keep saying Dylan hasn't proven anything aganst a good D. But neither has Connor...

[gripitandripit2007]

Originally Posted by Kuhn

Without Lattimore the Great (who imo, with the HBCs playcalling, lead us to all those wins) we need to be able to pass more. A lot more. Notice UFs offense when Harvin went pro, even Tebow had a tough time.

Next year, Carolina will be throwing it aroundand scoring a bunch of points. Don't see Shaw having the consistent (game-by-game; home or away) poise or vision to do that. I bet Spurrier will pull out all the stops to get to Atlanta next year. The HBC won't tolerate happy feet and passing timidity anymore. He can't and expect to win the East without Lattimore.

Like I have said numerous times...Spurrier and co. see these 2 giving their all in practice...each gets reps with the first team...& SOS said himself Connor is the best QB. If he didn't actually believe that...wouldn't he start Dylan more this year over an injured Connor?

[Carolina4Life]

Originally Posted by gripitandripit2007

He had a bad game & as has happened a lot this year...our OL wasn't giving him much time. But he still led 2 drives in the 4th qtr to win the game...including a TD throw to go up 2 scores

No offense but Shaw could have 7 terrible games all back to back and you would still say keep Shaw the starter.

[pantera17]

Originally Posted by Don Giovanni

Didn't Shaw go 16/20 against Wofford? I know he threw the interception, but those numbers aren't what I would call "laying an egg". Yes, I realize the yardage wasn't much to brag about, but I still don't think your description is accurate.

He played very poor for the most part of the game. Then in the 4th he hit on a lot of short passes in a row. And hit ace for a short pass that he ran for like 15 yards for a TD. If I remember correctly.

Actually that seems to be how Connor gets most of his passing yards and passing TDs. Short passes or screens that are taken for big gains.

[gripitandripit2007]

Originally Posted by pantera17

I still don't understand this.

You keep saying Dylan hasn't proven anything aganst a good D. But neither has Connor...

Good griefs...not u again! Lol
I don't know how much better I can explain it to you. Last year Connor threw 4 td passes against a pretty highly ranked Kentucky pass D. (Pretty highly ranked as in top 40 or so)...there are others where he has done pretty good against...Nebraska had a pretty highly ranked D, so did Miss St. Given he didn't throw for 300 against them...but what I keep trying to get u to understand is...not even the best QBs in the country do that against good D's!

[gripitandripit2007]

Originally Posted by Carolina4Life

No offense but Shaw could have 7 terrible games all back to back and you would still say keep Shaw the starter.

None taken...no offense to u either...but who are u to say what I WOULD do if the circumstances were different? Like I have said numerous times...I am behind who is PROVEN more...I like Dylan...but he has not PROVEN as much as Connor has yet

[pantera17]

Originally Posted by gripitandripit2007

Good griefs...not u again! Lol
I don't know how much better I can explain it to you. Last year Connor threw 4 td passes against a pretty highly ranked Kentucky pass D. (Pretty highly ranked as in top 40 or so)...there are others where he has done pretty good against...Nebraska had a pretty highly ranked D, so did Miss St. Given he didn't throw for 300 against them...but what I keep trying to get u to understand is...not even the best QBs in the country do that against good D's!

He played well aganst UK. He plays alright aganst Nebraska. 230 yards. Nothing special. Then aganst miss st he was bad. Threw a horrible imt in the Endzone. Very lucky to have won that game. Had a nice drive to win tho. Which was impressive. Something Garcia never did I don't think.

I mean, he's been average man. At best. He don't carve up teams. He doesn't throw that well. He's just average. And a good runner when he is healthy.

[JQ94]

Originally Posted by gripitandripit2007

Good griefs...not u again! Lol
I don't know how much better I can explain it to you. Last year Connor threw 4 td passes against a pretty highly ranked Kentucky pass D. (Pretty highly ranked as in top 40 or so)...there are others where he has done pretty good against...Nebraska had a pretty highly ranked D, so did Miss St. Given he didn't throw for 300 against them...but what I keep trying to get u to understand is...not even the best QBs in the country do that against good D's!

You just name dropped Kentucky and Miss State....AND a Big 12 school, which notoriously hasn't had a good D aside from having Suh on their team.

These 3 schools are nowhere near "good schools"

[gripitandripit2007]

Originally Posted by pantera17

He played well aganst UK. He plays alright aganst Nebraska. 230 yards. Nothing special. Then aganst miss st he was bad. Threw a horrible imt in the Endzone. Very lucky to have won that game. Had a nice drive to win tho. Which was impressive. Something Garcia never did I don't think.

I mean, he's been average man. At best. He don't carve up teams. He doesn't throw that well. He's just average. And a good runner when he is healthy.

I agree with everything u said Pant...he has been average against good D's...esp SEC D's...but as I have mentioned and all seem to ignore...no good QB's do good against good SEC D's. Connor has been one of the top QBs in the SEC the past 2 years...& ranked top 15 in the country...& that is against the best D's in the country!

[gripitandripit2007]

Originally Posted by JQ94

You just name dropped Kentucky and Miss State....AND a Big 12 school, which notoriously hasn't had a good D aside from having Suh on their team.

These 3 schools are nowhere near "good schools"

Never said anything about playing "good schools"...I said "pretty good pass D"

[uscjeremynca]

Originally Posted by Kuhn

Without Lattimore the Great (who imo, with the HBCs playcalling, lead us to all those wins) we need to be able to pass more. A lot more. Notice UFs offense when Harvin went pro, even Tebow had a tough time.

Next year, Carolina will be throwing it aroundand scoring a bunch of points. Don't see Shaw having the consistent (game-by-game; home or away) poise or vision to do that. I bet Spurrier will pull out all the stops to get to Atlanta next year. The HBC won't tolerate happy feet and passing timidity anymore. He can't and expect to win the East without Lattimore.

This is no offense to Lattimore but Spurrier has to coach better without him. Spurrier becomes a better coach when he doesn't have to give it to Lattimore 30 times with a lead. We are a more balanced team play calling wise and teams have to prepare for us differently. We open it up more (Connor or Dylan) and I actually like our offense better.

With that said, Dylan forces too many 5 balls. He could have had 4 or 5 picks against Clemson. Thankfully he only had one. He can make throws Connor can't but it doesn't necessarily mean Dylan is a better QB.

[COCKYTALKIN]

Originally Posted by gripitandripit2007

Like I have said numerous times...Spurrier and co. see these 2 giving their all in practice...each gets reps with the first team...& SOS said himself Connor is the best QB. If he didn't actually believe that...wouldn't he start Dylan more this year over an injured Connor?

We all understand that, but we all also understand that some players shine under the big lights and some are practice warriors. I don't think either of these QBs are on the extreme spectrum of that comparison, but you get the point. I'm ok with either one, but I am very interested to watch Dylan perform against a highly ranked defense. There were quite a few posters saying the same thing last year about Connor vs. Garcia. We all know how that ended up, how do we how this story will end? Could it possibly be yet another upgrade?

Historically I've never been one to pull for the backup QB, but the kid has shown potential. SOS said it himself, all Dylan seems to do is throw for 300 yards and 3 td's.

My biggest argument is, of which nobody has addressed, the fact that a pocket passer has a better chance of surviving in this league than a dual threat QB. Connor Shaw is, no doubt, tough as nails. But he doesn't have the frame of Tim Tebow, nor the athletic ability of Cam Newton.

[gripitandripit2007]

Originally Posted by COCKYTALKIN

We all understand that, but we all also understand that some players shine under the big lights and some are practice warriors. I don't think either of these QBs are on the extreme spectrum of that comparison, but you get the point. I'm ok with either one, but I am very interested to watch Dylan perform against a highly ranked defense. There were quite a few posters saying the same thing last year about Connor vs. Garcia. We all know how that ended up, how do we how this story will end? Could it possibly be yet another upgrade?

Historically I've never been one to pull for the backup QB, but the kid has shown potential. SOS said it himself, all Dylan seems to do is throw for 300 yards and 3 td's.

My biggest argument is, of which nobody has addressed, the fact that a pocket passer has a better chance of surviving in this league than a dual threat QB. Connor Shaw is, no doubt, tough as nails. But he doesn't have the frame of Tim Tebow, nor the athletic ability of Cam Newton.

I was one of the ones last year posting about wanting Connor to start...and to most...proved to be the better option. The same could very well happen with Dylan over Connor...and I am fine with it if it does. I am not a Connor homer...I am a huge Gamecock fan & am for whoever has proven to give us the best chance to win & that has been Connor.
To address your argument about a dual threat QB vs a pocket passer...I agree...Connor is no Tebow nor is he a Cam...he is a running QB who is faster than both & IMO can throw it better than both. He has been injured all year so I think this thread would have never been made if it weren't for that...but with a better OL and more experienced WRs...and a healthy Connor Shaw...it's gonna be exciting to see how much better our offense will be & who the starter is after the summer!

[lake-cityCOCK89]

Connor opens up our running game more with the read but Thompson throws a better deep ball.

Spurrier will go with the guy with the most experience and who gives defenses more to prepare for especially since we aren't a dominant run team without lattimore.

Good move if you ask me. Dylan will play to though like SOS said.

And can you people cut the "he hasn't beaten anybody good" crap. We've beaten Georgia Florida Clemson and Tennessee with Connor. The reason those teams aren't as good as they were is because we're beating them now. Every great team is not 11-1 with a lone loss to South Carolina and Connor shaw. Some only have 8 wins (wisconsin) and others have 7 (southern cal). Plug whatever sec teams in here like vandy or Mississippi state.

We are a good team with Connor or Dylan and to down Connor after the career he has had for us so far is flat out stupid. I have confidence in both but ill take experience any day of the week.

Besides, spurrier has made his decision, the right one at that, and he's not gonna change because keyboarding joe thinks he knows more football than spurrier.

[KaneisAble]

Originally Posted by gripitandripit2007

I was one of the ones last year posting about wanting Connor to start...and to most...proved to be the better option. The same could very well happen with Dylan over Connor...and I am fine with it if it does. I am not a Connor homer...I am a huge Gamecock fan & am for whoever has proven to give us the best chance to win & that has been Connor.
To address your argument about a dual threat QB vs a pocket passer...I agree...Connor is no Tebow nor is he a Cam...he is a running QB who is faster than both & IMO can throw it better than both. He has been injured all year so I think this thread would have never been made if it weren't for that...but with a better OL and more experienced WRs...and a healthy Connor Shaw...it's gonna be exciting to see how much better our offense will be & who the starter is after the summer!

Connor > Tebow and Cam? Good God, man. Step away from the keyboard. You say he's "no Tebow or cam" but then say he's faster and a better passer (and he is a better passer than Tebow, I'll give you that.)

[KaneisAble]

Originally Posted by lake-cityCOCK89

Connor opens up our running game more with the read but Thompson throws a better deep ball.

Spurrier will go with the guy with the most experience and who gives defenses more to prepare for especially since we aren't a dominant run team without lattimore.

Good move if you ask me. Dylan will play to though like SOS said.

And can you people cut the "he hasn't beaten anybody good" crap. We've beaten Georgia Florida Clemson and Tennessee with Connor. The reason those teams aren't as good as they were is because we're beating them now. Every great team is not 11-1 with a lone loss to South Carolina and Connor shaw. Some only have 8 wins (wisconsin) and others have 7 (southern cal). Plug whatever sec teams in here like vandy or Mississippi state.

We are a good team with Connor or Dylan and to down Connor after the career he has had for us so far is flat out stupid. I have confidence in both but ill take experience any day of the week.

Besides, spurrier has made his decision, the right one at that, and he's not gonna change because keyboarding joe thinks he knows more football than spurrier.

Right. We won against all those teams purely because of Shaw.

[CockLurker]

Originally Posted by KaneisAble

Right. We won against all those teams purely because of Shaw.

He surely didn't lose them.

I'd argue that DT is more likely to lose a game than Shaw (hate to say he would lose a game, but I am always reminded of the love John Brantley was getting before Tebow left lol).

[pantera17]

Originally Posted by CockLurker

He surely didn't lose them.

I'd argue that DT is more likely to lose a game than Shaw (hate to say he would lose a game, but I am always reminded of the love John Brantley was getting before Tebow left lol).

Well shaw has lost us at least one game. DT hasn't. Eh

[Dizzy01]

It's clear that for many the only thing that matters is passing yards. I'd bet a QB could go 25 for 60 with 5 picks every game and as long as he had 300+ yards he'd be promoted as the greatest QB ever win or not.

[pantera17]

Originally Posted by Dizzy01

It's clear that for many the only thing that matters is passing yards. I'd bet a QB could go 25 for 60 with 5 picks every game and as long as he had 300+ yards he'd be promoted as the greatest QB ever win or not.

Dumbest thing anyone has ever said. I'm pretty sure no one in the history of the world has ever said anything close to what you think "many" have said.