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Old 12-04-2012, 05:27 PM   #281
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East is less imposing unless we hire a top coach then it would be pretty close.

Glad to not see Dooley on that list anymore...damn he was a joke.
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The first thing he needs to do is hire Tim Horton (recruiting coordinator). I wonder if Bielema has EVER recruited Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana or anywhere in the south.
Probably not but he knows how to put Offensive Linemen in the pros.
I think this is a much better hire than Malzahn.
I'm not sold on his spread offense, unless they have Cam Newton.
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East is less imposing unless we hire a top coach then it would be pretty close.

Glad to not see Dooley on that list anymore...damn he was a joke.
Kiffen is likely going to be available again.
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You'll discredit him for what he did this year but what about the 6 prior to that?
Where he went 60-19.
Sure it's not the SEC but the year before this the big 10 was not a weak conference.

This is a great hire and brings the style of football similar to LSU and Alabama.

He will recruit from a much bigger talent base as well.
I don't discredit what he's done, but I discredit the conference he did it in. When you're regularly playing Indiana, Illinois, Purdue, etc. year in and year out you damn sure better rack up some wins. (And the 2012 Big 10 Championship/Rose Bowl appearance has a gigantic asterisk beside it.)

If you're Arkansas and you're offering $4 Mil plus, a chance to compete year in and year out for a national title, I'd think you could get someone of the Petersen, Patterson, Franklin tier. As Hog points out, his staff will be key. Retaining Tim Horton (who is a great recruiter) would be a big first step, because my guess is Bielema doesn't have many in-roads in the South. I just don't think it's a great hire. It could prove to be one, but it's not on par w/ the guys I would've thought they could get.
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Kiffen is likely going to be available again.
LOL never heard that one before!!!

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I don't discredit what he's done, but I discredit the conference he did it in. When you're regularly playing Indiana, Illinois, Purdue, etc. year in and year out you damn sure better rack up some wins. (And the 2012 Big 10 Championship/Rose Bowl appearance has a gigantic asterisk beside it.)

If you're Arkansas and you're offering $4 Mil plus, a chance to compete year in and year out for a national title, I'd think you could get someone of the Petersen, Patterson, Franklin tier. As Hog points out, his staff will be key. Retaining Tim Horton (who is a great recruiter) would be a big first step, because my guess is Bielema doesn't have many in-roads in the South. I just don't think it's a great hire. It could prove to be one, but it's not on par w/ the guys I would've thought they could get.
So how is Chris Petersen in this logic if he plays the similar crappy opponents?
And Franklin better than this guy? Ahahahaha
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So how is Chris Petersen in this logic if he plays the similar crappy opponents?
And Franklin better than this guy? Ahahahaha
Should've put Strong over Franklin, Franklin in 2nd tier. Going off of what I know Arky fans wanted, but you're right that Franklin and Bielema aren't that different. Franklin would be more exciting, but not necessarily better.

As far as Petersen: I'm guessing you're in the minority in taking Bielema over Petersen.
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Should've put Strong over Franklin, Franklin in 2nd tier. Going off of what I know Arky fans wanted, but you're right that Franklin and Bielema aren't that different. Franklin would be more exciting, but not necessarily better.

As far as Petersen: I'm guessing you're in the minority in taking Bielema over Petersen.
I'm not, I'd take Petersen over him in heart beat.
But your argument you said Bielema beat up on crappy opponents then used 2 guys that are from mid major conferences.
Although I think they're better coaches at anyway, it didn't help your argument.

I think it's a great hire and we can agree to disagree. Brings back "smash mouth" to Arkansas, in a conference where the successful teams do it.
I feel a lot of this hate stems back from what he said about the SEC.
Douche bag move (like the guy previously at Arky) but he can coach and that's all that matters.
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Who would yall pick between Mike Gundy and Charlie Strong for Tennessee (if you wanted us to do good, not crash and burn further into oblivion)
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Who would yall pick between Mike Gundy and Charlie Strong for Tennessee (if you wanted us to do good, not crash and burn further into oblivion)

Strong will recruit better and UT has to recruit nationally. Gundy is just looking for a raise and power.
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Arkansas is close to hiring a coach, but it's not Mike Gundy.
A person familiar with the search process who asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of the subject said the school is nearing an announcement but said, contrary to reports by Rivals.com and the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, it is not Gundy. The person would not identify the prospective hire.
Arkansas did not retain interim coach John L. Smith after finishing 4-8 this season. Smith had replaced Bobby Petrino, who was fired last April amid scandal.
Gundy, in his eighth season as Oklahoma State's head coach, has been linked to the opening at Tennessee as well as at Arkansas.

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My "source" had the timing right. And he actually never said it was Gundy, I asked if it was Patterson or Strong (the 2 I did not want y'all to get) and he text me back "think MidWest". I just assumed Gundy since Belima was never mentioned...


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To be honest I really thought Dooley was gonna turn it around. I mean hes from the Saban tree, and I have been all ove Kirby Smarts D saying he is gonna b the next great SEC head coach. I think Gruden is happy (and pretty damn good) with his job, coaching rumors never seem to come true, they always come out of nowhere.
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I'm not, I'd take Petersen over him in heart beat.
But your argument you said Bielema beat up on crappy opponents then used 2 guys that are from mid major conferences.
Although I think they're better coaches at anyway, it didn't help your argument.

I think it's a great hire and we can agree to disagree. Brings back "smash mouth" to Arkansas, in a conference where the successful teams do it.
I feel a lot of this hate stems back from what he said about the SEC.
Douche bag move (like the guy previously at Arky) but he can coach and that's all that matters.
The more I think about it, I think Bielema is a great coach but that it's POTENTIALLY a bad fit. Who he hires/retains (Tim Horton, for example) will go a long way in determining recruiting success which will in turn determine his on-field success.

My initial feelings on it weren't even colored by his prior comments (which were ridiculous); I think the surprise factor (since his name wasn't even mentioned) coupled w/ the names that were constantly in the mix (Petersen, Patterson) makes it a "Hunh?" rather than a "WOW" for me. But again: it could ultimately be a great hire. No way to know right now. (It's not like they hired Fedora, which I think would have been a bad hire.)
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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--...GlvbnM-;_ylv=3

Hopefully this is wrong and we name Strong as our HC today.

I can't take much more of this!
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Bielema went to three rose bowls in a row with Wisconsin. That's like UGA going to three sugar bowls in a row. Just saying.
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I would stay at Lousiville if I were strong. You already got it rolling, moving up in conference and AD said he'll make you highest paid coach in america, if needed.
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I tend to agree with this.
The Tennessee job is a pressure cooker to the extreme ! Taking the job would be risky considering they don't seem to anywhere near competing for the East, just yet.
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I tend to agree with this.
The Tennessee job is a pressure cooker to the extreme ! Taking the job would be risky considering they don't seem to anywhere near competing for the East, just yet.
Tennessee fans are expecting a pretty quick turnaround as well from whoever this coach is.

This isn't going to be a 5 year rebuild for this coach...fans believe Dooley did a lot of the legwork, but couldn't get it done on Saturdays.

I expect the new coach will get a one year pass, then will expect 8-9 wins plus from there.

So yes you are right, this won't be an easy task.
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Tennessee fans are expecting a pretty quick turnaround as well from whoever this coach is.

This isn't going to be a 5 year rebuild for this coach...fans believe Dooley did a lot of the legwork, but couldn't get it done on Saturdays.

I expect the new coach will get a one year pass, then will expect 8-9 wins plus from there.

So yes you are right, this won't be an easy task.
Yes I really wonder how much this is playing into the coaches wantiing/not wanting to come there. It really seems like whoever takes over is already 3 years into a 5 year plan, for better or worse. It could be good for some coaches because you already have some talent. But, I think most coaches look at it and think " They are giving me 2 years to fix 6 years of problems".
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