Manti Teo

[KaneisAble]

Originally Posted by I Bleed Garnet

If NE has the first pick of the draft last year they're trading down.

Yeah, and stockpiling picks in the process. Realized it was bad example. I just think Luck only comes around once ever 5-10 years. Same w/ Clowney. But it's a pass-happy league now. Still think Clowney is number 1 in '14 if he can merely match his production this year.

[Lalli25]

Originally Posted by KaneisAble

So you wouldn't take the best player? What type of GM are you?

Either you think Teo is a better football player than Clowney or you don't. It's pretty simple, and doesn't need all of the "position most likely to make an impact" equivocating.

If you are a GM and have a OL who grades out better at his position and is more talented and a better football player, do you take him over a possible QB talent who can play solid? No. You take the QB even though he isn't the better football player. Teo will be a stud anyways in the NFL, so will Clowney. Both are built for the NFL. They are big, fast, athletic, can play in open space and can play in any system.

[KaneisAble]

Originally Posted by Lalli25

It isn't about talent. It is about performance and when you are the key figure on a top 3 D who is playing for the national title you are going to get awards over others. It isn't because he plays for ND or the sad story. He prior to the year was hyped as a finalist for these awards, just as Clowney was.

Teo earned the awards, it wasn't a pity vote.

So he performed better than Clowney?

Keep telling yourself it's not because of ND or his "great story". You're just enamored by the Teo myth. He's not as good as Ray Lewis was in college, from a talent or performance level, nor is he within the same stratosphere as Clowney. Teo deserves credit. Hell, he deserves to be a finalist (though not for Heisman). But he's not the best defensive player in the country. He's not even the guy you would pick if you were starting team Lalli.

[robgusc76]

Originally Posted by KaneisAble

So he performed better than Clowney?

Keep telling yourself it's not because of ND or his "great story". You're just enamored by the Teo myth. He's not as good as Ray Lewis was in college, from a talent or performance level, nor is he within the same stratosphere as Clowney. Teo deserves credit. Hell, he deserves to be a finalist (though not for Heisman). But he's not the best defensive player in the country. He's not even the guy you would pick if you were starting team Lalli.

He's got everything you look for. He's got a story, he's a REALLY good football player, and he's playing for a national championship. Playing for Notre Dame helps, but not as much as you think. They have had many very good defenders in the past several years, but didnt have the record they needed to get the kids in the national spotlight.

[Lalli25]

Originally Posted by KaneisAble

So he performed better than Clowney?

Keep telling yourself it's not because of ND or his "great story". You're just enamored by the Teo myth. He's not as good as Ray Lewis was in college, from a talent or performance level, nor is he within the same stratosphere as Clowney. Teo deserves credit. Hell, he deserves to be a finalist (though not for Heisman). But he's not the best defensive player in the country. He's not even the guy you would pick if you were starting team Lalli.

I could say that your just enamored with Clowney because he is from Carolina or plays in the SEC. The fact is, that Teo has all the necassary stats to be considered for the awards and on top of that, he is playing for the #1 ranked team and a top D. If this was some LB from Bama you wouldn't be arguing with it, but because it is outside the SEC, and even worse, to a ND guy, you guys act like he is awful and undeserving of any awards.

[I Bleed Garnet]

Originally Posted by KaneisAble

Yeah, and stockpiling picks in the process. Realized it was bad example. I just think Luck only comes around once ever 5-10 years. Same w/ Clowney. But it's a pass-happy league now. Still think Clowney is number 1 in '14 if he can merely match his production this year.

Yea Clowney in next years draft, #1, unless of course some QB goes RG3 mode and the team picking needs a QB.

In the current state of the NFL a QB is what makes a team most successful.

[KaneisAble]

Originally Posted by Lalli25

I could say that your just enamored with Clowney because he is from Carolina or plays in the SEC. The fact is, that Teo has all the necassary stats to be considered for the awards and on top of that, he is playing for the #1 ranked team and a top D. If this was some LB from Bama you wouldn't be arguing with it, but because it is outside the SEC, and even worse, to a ND guy, you guys act like he is awful and undeserving of any awards.

Yeah, you're right. I'm probably just buying into the Clowney hype. Guys like Lalli even said they'd take him over Teo if they were starting a team!

You yourself wouldn't take Teo over Clowney, and yet I'm supposed to buy that he's deserving of being in NY and a potential Heisman winner? As far as him being a "ND Guy"; forgive me for thinking that feasting on that schedule doesn't exactly a Heisman Winner make.

I've never once said he was awful. I think he's deserving of nomination of the defensive awards but definitely not the Heisman. I do not think he is deserving of winning the defensive awards in a season where Jadeveon Clowney is eligible, nominated, and turned in the year he has. Remove Clowney from the equation and it's Teo vs. Jarvis Jones? I personally think Jones is better but it's by very small degrees, and wouldn't be as dogged about this as I am.

But if you don't want people trumpeting Clowney over Teo, maybe seek out a ND board. I'm sure it's a veritable orgy of Manti over there.

[seamus]

ND has always been a media darling. Even when they had a poor team, they were the media darling. Interesting fact: they are the only team to have a Heiseman winner that played on a team with a losing record. (Paul Horning)

[MikeTrainNC8]

Originally Posted by Lalli25

If you are a GM and have a OL who grades out better at his position and is more talented and a better football player, do you take him over a possible QB talent who can play solid? No. You take the QB even though he isn't the better football player. Teo will be a stud anyways in the NFL, so will Clowney. Both are built for the NFL. They are big, fast, athletic, can play in open space and can play in any system.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Teo can not play in any system, few LB's can... I'd LOVE to seehim try and cover TE's in the NFL or run blitz in the NFL (hell run blitz in the SEC)

Clowney is by far the better prospect than Teo, any analyst would laugh in your face for thinking otherwise.


QB rules the league, so the greatest DE to come outof HS/college in the past 20+ years, aka the GREAT EQUALIZER, should be as valuable as any player on any team

[MikeTrainNC8]

Teo without the story or ND gets zero award wins. Put him on USC and he isn't even our best LB of this decade (2 years into this decade)... I'd take Ingram ANY day over Teo... Ingram impacted games in far greater ways, and vs much harder comp.

Clowney on ND wins every award possible. That's the difference.

Can you imagine? Clowney 24/7 on ESPN

[MikeTrainNC8]

BTW, GM's were saying that Clowney would have been #1 in any draft he came out of HS Jr year and on.... soooo to say Teo is on his level is a freaking riot. Good/great player yes, but not all world like JD.

There is a reason rivals said he is the best player by far they have ever graded in recruiting. This isn't just uSC fans

[FanofCarolina1]

Originally Posted by MikeTrainNC8

Teo without the story or ND gets zero award wins. Put him on USC and he isn't even our best LB of this decade (2 years into this decade)... I'd take Ingram ANY day over Teo... Ingram impacted games in far greater ways, and vs much harder comp.

Clowney on ND wins every award possible. That's the difference.

Can you imagine? Clowney 24/7 on ESPN

Not if he played for ND.

[ThisMr X]

Sob story+weak schedule=heisman

[crowcutta]

i dont think his impact is that much different than other all american 3-4 ilb's from the past. there arent that many 3-4 nt's in college that have to be double teamed. he isnt first team all american last year, his stats go down from last year, and suddenly he not only wins every single defensive player award, and the maxwell, the walter camp, and may even finish at least 2nd in the heisman.

of course is everything is relative, but never has a lb gotten this much credit. i dont think its suddenly every voter throwing away their offensive bias and their eyes being open to every nuance of great lb play.

[Evilchicken2]

Originally Posted by Big Cocky 72

Lol don't let your hatred for Notre Dame put down a great player. Like it or not Notre Dame is the ONLY undefeated team in the nation, the reason they're undefeated is because of their defense & the main reason their defense is where it's at is because of Manti Teo. Come on man

Yeah, dude is a special talent. If everyone could get 7 INTs off of weak competition then THEY WOULD DO IT TOO. I mean Clowney got 4.5 sacks against a weak cupcake lace Clemson team....what does that mean?