Connor Shaw by the numbers

[MWard]

Originally Posted by JQ94

Ill be that guy, DT for starter! No questions about it.

[Rebel4ever]

Originally Posted by talon

road games this year were more difficult

Yeah no cupcake like georgia has had the last two years, west teams I mean. LSU and Florida back to back really delt us a blow physically. If those games were separated by an out of conference game or bye week then we may still have lost to LSU but we would not have lost to florida, at least not the manner in which we lost it. LSU knocked us around. Playing teams like that on the road back to back would be difficult for any team, even the perceived powerhouses.

[JTsecSC]

Originally Posted by Gyle41386

Here are all of the defenses Connor has faced over the last two seasons, ranked in order by their pass efficiency rating. Underneath, they are sorted by year with each team's national ranking in parentheses.

2012 Florida - 91.59 - Away
2012 Vanderbilt - 99.77 - Away
2012 LSU - 103.43 - Away
2011 Vanderbilt - 110.76 - Home
2011 Arkansas - 113.21 - Away
2011 Mississippi State - 117.70 - Away
2011 Florida - 117.75 - Home
2011 Kentucky - 117.89 - Home
2012 Georgia - 119.68 - Home
2011 Nebraska - 120.43 - Neutral
2011 Tennessee - 125.58 - Away
2011 East Carolina - 129.96 - Neutral
2011 Clemson - 133.50 - Home
2012 Missouri - 137.93 - Home
2012 Tennessee - 138.70 - Home
2012 Kentucky - 146.56 - Away
2012 Arkansas - 147.30 - Home
2012 UAB - 151.48 - Home


2011
East Carolina - 129.96 (#61)
Vanderbilt - 110.76 (#9)
Kentucky - 117.89 (#29)
@Mississippi State - 117.70 (#27)
@Tennessee - 125.58 (#48)
@Arkansas - 113.21 (#17)
Florida - 117.75 (#28)
The Citadel - NA
Clemson - 133.50 (#74)
Nebraska - 120.43 (34)

2012
@Vanderbilt - 99.77 (#5)
UAB - 151.48 (#113)
Missouri - 137.93 (#84)
@Kentucky - 146.56 (#102)
Georgia - 119.68 (#32)
@LSU - 103.43 (#9)
@Florida - 91.59 (#1)
Tennessee - 138.70 (#86)
Arkansas - 147.30 (#104)
Wofford - NA

That was one mean 3 game stretch this year.

[Gamecock_girl_west]

The whole playing injured thing is getting a bit tired. Either you are well enough to play and you play your best. Or you are injured and you recognize that it affects your ability to perform, you rest up/ heal and give someone else a shot.

This is not a shot at Connor. He played well. He played about the same as he did last year. He has happy feet and does not like to throw the designed play, Spurrier has said as much. Whether he was injured or not does not change that. He did it last year as well.

[trapper82]

Originally Posted by Gamecock_girl_west

The whole playing injured thing is getting a bit tired. Either you are well enough to play and you play your best. Or you are injured and you recognize that it affects your ability to perform, you rest up/ heal and give someone else a shot.

This is not a shot at Connor. He played well. He played about the same as he did last year. He has happy feet and does not like to throw the designed play, Spurrier has said as much. Whether he was injured or not does not change that. He did it last year as well.

And this is no shot at Dylan, but he beat ECU, uab and the tiggers? (Think those were the games) Those defenses aren't great. What does Connor have to do to earn the start, look better while beating top 10 teams?

[STEPHONGILMOREFAN!]

Originally Posted by trapper82

And this is no shot at Dylan, but he beat ECU, uab and the tiggers? (Think those were the games) Those defenses aren't great. What does Connor have to do to earn the start, look better while beating top 10 teams?

Againt vandy... kentucky.. uab first half.. wofford... why did connor not perform up to DT stats those are comparable teams

[trapper82]

Originally Posted by STEPHONGILMOREFAN!

Againt vandy... kentucky.. uab first half.. wofford... why did connor not perform up to DT stats those are comparable teams

Did you see the same Vandy game I saw? Thompson didn't play well at all and had Connor not come back we might have lost.

Wofford the whole team looked bad because its hard to get excited about playing Wofford. Games like that are just less interesting even for players, hard to avoid.

To me if he wins that's the big thing, not how he looks while doing it. Hard to argue against Shaw's record, much harder than it is to argue against Thompson.

[sporkgod50]

Well it seems like the discussion has taken a turn toward a Connor vs DT as well as a Connor's numbers on the road were bad because he play tough teams. Here is the comparison between the with as well as a look at how they played against ranked (better) teams.
Overall (TD:INT):
Connor: 2.1:1
DT: 4:1
Ranked vs Unranked (TD:INT) 2012
Connor: 2:1 (ranked) 2.2:1 (unranked) Difference +0.2
DT: 1.5:1 (ranked) 5:0 (unranked) Difference +3.5

Home vs Away (TD:INT) 2012

Connor: 2.75:1 (home) 1.333:1 (away) Difference -1.42
DT: 5:0 (home) 1.5:1 (away) Difference: ~-3.5 (cant divide by 0)

So DT plays significantly better against unranked teams Connor plays about the same whether they are ranked or not (pretty damning for the connor played tougher teams on the road)

Both play worse on the road, but DT plays much worse on the road.
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Dylan Thompson's numbers
Home vs Away (2012)

Overall
59/117 (50.4%) 910 yds 8 tds, 2 ints
Rushing 35 on 32 carries 1 tds

home

28/52 (53.8%) 517 yds 5 tds, 0 ints
rushing 11 yds on 14 carries 1 tds

away/neutral

31/65 (47.7%) 393yds, 3 tds, 2 ints
rushing 21 yds on 21 carries 0tds


2012 Ranked vs Unranked teams
Overall
59/117 (50.4%) 910 yds 8 tds, 2 ints
Rushing 35 yds on 32 carries 1 tds


Ranked
31/61 (50.8%) 393 yds 3 tds, 2 ints
rushing 25 yds on 16 carries 0 tds

Unranked

28/56 (50.0%) 517yds, 5 tds, 0 ints
rushing 10 yds on 16 carries 1 tds

[Gamecock_girl_west]

Originally Posted by trapper82

And this is no shot at Dylan, but he beat ECU, uab and the tiggers? (Think those were the games) Those defenses aren't great. What does Connor have to do to earn the start, look better while beating top 10 teams?

My intent was not to say Thompson over Shaw. It was just that the injury excuse only plays so far. Either play or don't but it's a crutch that people use to excuse poor performance. The truth is that it hardly mattered because he would scramble and rush.

I don't know how to measure who was better. The both had great games and they both had sub stellar performances. But I will say I watching Connor play is fun.

As far as the Top 10 team thing, yes he played great against UGA. LSU he was good. UF... Three weeks straight, sure. But it was a decreasing trend.