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Old 12-09-2012, 01:25 PM   #21
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How is a no-huddle pro-style offense a "gimmik"? You obviously don't know much about football... and frankly, I'm getting annoyed with all of our posters referring to any type of hurry-up offense as a "gimmick". It makes you sound dumb because the word "gimmick" carries a negative connotation and implies that the "gimmick" is just smoke and mirrors or something that doesn't really work. Sorry, no-huddle offenses do work- they keep defenses on their heels, wear them out, and keep them out of position. Whether or not you like that type of offense is up to you, but they work- it's not like coaches all over the country are utilizing this system for no reason... and just because an offense goes no-huddle doesn't mean they are running an air raid or trick plays. He said it's going to be a pro-style system. USC runs a pro-style and we also go no-huddle at times FYI.
You're right, I don't know much about football, have never claimed to know much. It's just a game, and a break from work for me. I am sorry to have upset you so badly. I don't make one single cent off of what anyone does on the field, but I enjoy watching it. However, Ellis Johnson does, and that's how he refers to these no huddle offenses. It seems to be the popular thing now, and I've never been one to buy into popular culture. I do know business and I can tell a fast-talker when I see one. That skill does put food on my table and keeps my wife happy. Maybe this guy can coach football, I don't know. I'll just shut up now and quit pissing off the football gods.
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How is a no-huddle pro-style offense a "gimmik"? You obviously don't know much about football... and frankly, I'm getting annoyed with all of our posters referring to any type of hurry-up offense as a "gimmick". It makes you sound dumb because the word "gimmick" carries a negative connotation and implies that the "gimmick" is just smoke and mirrors or something that doesn't really work. Sorry, no-huddle offenses do work- they keep defenses on their heels, wear them out, and keep them out of position. Whether or not you like that type of offense is up to you, but they work- it's not like coaches all over the country are utilizing this system for no reason... and just because an offense goes no-huddle doesn't mean they are running an air raid or trick plays. He said it's going to be a pro-style system. USC runs a pro-style and we also go no-huddle at times FYI.

Well, since you brought up S&M, allow me to ask if you ever bumped into Mark Sanford while taking a hike along that trail on which you live?

Now that was real smoke and mirrors. LOL.
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Really solid hire by Tenn. It's hard to think a man like that would be coaching for a hillbilly university though.
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Old 12-09-2012, 02:39 PM   #24
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Sorry, no-huddle offenses do work- they keep defenses on their heels, wear them out, and keep them out of position.
Just like Chad Morris' offense did to us a few weeks back?

Back to Butch Jones...says he's won 4 championships (he's actually only won 2 at Cen.Mich) ? How does a 3-way and 4-way tie in the Big East equate to winning a championship? So for winning a "championship" this year, his team gets rewarded the Belk Bowl in CLT v. Duke?

Now that's some smoke and mirrors.
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He seems like a sincere and nice guy. Looks like he knows what it takes to win, I hate the vols as much as the next guy, but I will say. If that was any indication of what he is really like, he has a great future ahead of him.
Always a risk bringing in a guy who has no experience in the SEC.
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Just like Chad Morris' offense did to us a few weeks back?
omg... You can run a no-huddle offense with any type of offense. Just because you don't huddle, doesn't mean you run the same type of offense as Clemson. This is exactly what I'm talking about.
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You're right, I don't know much about football, have never claimed to know much. It's just a game, and a break from work for me. I am sorry to have upset you so badly. I don't make one single cent off of what anyone does on the field, but I enjoy watching it. However, Ellis Johnson does, and that's how he refers to these no huddle offenses. It seems to be the popular thing now, and I've never been one to buy into popular culture. I do know business and I can tell a fast-talker when I see one. That skill does put food on my table and keeps my wife happy. Maybe this guy can coach football, I don't know. I'll just shut up now and quit pissing off the football gods.
I agree with you that it's ridiculous that people are assuming that Butch Jones is going to be successful because of a little speech that he gave. I just keep seeing people on here refer to hurry-up offenses so condescendingly as gimmick and I finally snapped and took it out on you lol... For that, I apologize.The no-huddle has its pros and cons. Football is a constantly evolving and cyclical game. You have to be willing to adapt.
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I wonder what Spurrier is going to say about it?
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Aug. 31 Austin Peay Knoxville
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Sept. 14 at Oregon Eugene, Ore.
Sept. 21 at Florida * Gainesville, Fla.

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He'll be tested early...but I can see them going 7-5 his first year...maybe 8 and I think that'd be a good first year for him, but it'd be 4th in the East...
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Just like Chad Morris' offense did to us a few weeks back?

Back to Butch Jones...says he's won 4 championships (he's actually only won 2 at Cen.Mich) ? How does a 3-way and 4-way tie in the Big East equate to winning a championship? So for winning a "championship" this year, his team gets rewarded the Belk Bowl in CLT v. Duke?

Now that's some smoke and mirrors.
But see then you can say, just like Urban's offense did twice and Malzahn's once.
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"I've been a head coach for 6 years and won 4 championships. That's right, guys.. I put my pants on just like the rest of you -- one leg at a time. Except, once my pants are on, I win championships."
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omg... You can run a no-huddle offense with any type of offense. Just because you don't huddle, doesn't mean you run the same type of offense as Clemson. This is exactly what I'm talking about.
Ok Mr. Football...and plenty of teams suck running a no-huddle...it guarantees nothing.
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"I've been a head coach for 6 years and won 4 championships. That's right, guys.. I put my pants on just like the rest of you -- one leg at a time. Except, once my pants are on, I win championships."
'cepts 2 of those "championships" were 3 and 4 way ties for 1st place and his team did not get the BCS bid. That's just flat out lying.
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Always a risk bringing in a guy who has no experience in the SEC.
Seems like he brought up the fact Saban and Miles didn't have SEC experience when they were first hired...

So...he thinks he's Nick "The Hat" Saban?
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Technically Florida won a championship this year, and they get a trophy for winning the east.
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Its easy to talk. We'll just have to see what happens on the field. I just don't care for these guys who have never coached at the SEC level to come in talking National Championship before they have won their first SEC game. As for the hurry up....It does put the other team at a dis-advantage sometimes. But the offenses like klimpsun and a lot of other teams run are gimmick offenses. They are only successful if you have really special players to run them as in the case of Scam and Johnny Manziel. Otherwise really good defenses can stop them.
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He'll be tested early...but I can see them going 7-5 his first year...maybe 8 and I think that'd be a good first year for him, but it'd be 4th in the East...
Ehh, we are likely to lose 4-5 JR's to the NFL draft (yes we had that much talent and Dooley sucks that bad) and will likely have a new QB next year.

I think 6-6 would be a good year next year. Just need to make a bowl.
Lose the 5 you mentioned and lose one of @Missouri, Vandy, and Aub.
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Technically Florida won a championship this year, and they get a trophy for winning the east.
I agree with what you are saying, but if he even ties or wins four SEC east titles in his first 6 years I think he will be doing just fine.
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Its easy to talk. We'll just have to see what happens on the field. I just don't care for these guys who have never coached at the SEC level to come in talking National Championship before they have won their first SEC game. As for the hurry up....It does put the other team at a dis-advantage sometimes. But the offenses like klimpsun and a lot of other teams run are gimmick offenses. They are only successful if you have really special players to run them as in the case of Scam and Johnny Manziel. Otherwise really good defenses can stop them.
Again, the type of offense you are referring to is not a gimmick offense. it is an alternate style of offense that requires a different skill set.
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Thats what klimpsun "thought" they had. And to be honest, it worked against teams that didn't have a solid defense. Even Oregon got shut down by a solid Stanford defense. And they have some pretty good "skill" players.
But who knows where the next Newton or Manziel or even Herschel Walker is out there playing HS football? If you get the right kids, most any offense will work.
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