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Old 12-13-2012, 01:55 AM   #21
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The number doesn't need to be retired lol. It is fine if they want to retire his jersey but we don't need to go around retiring numbers. Also it is the policy of the athletic department that if a player leaves early before they graduate their jersey can't be retired. Listen Marcus will never been forgotten and he is indeed one of the greats to play in the garnet and black but he doesn't need to have his number retired. I think people are taking things a little bit to far and letting their emotions get caught up in all of this.
Yeah, you're right. He probably doesn't warrant any emotion or having his number retired.

The policy is dated and stupid. The players most likely to have a significant impact (particularly on the field) will be gone after 3 years anyway.

We're not talking about retiring everyone's number. We're talking about retiring one number which belonged to one Marcus Lattimore. And if anyone who comes after him matches his impact on, and more significantly to this discussion, off the field, then let Marcus be the standard by which others are judged. You act like we just invented the concept of special players having numbers retired. Should we never retire anyone's number ever?
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:03 AM   #22
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i dont think the policy says anything about excluding players leaving early. someone would have to show that to me, because i never saw that mentioned during the whole sharpe spurrier retired number debacle. its essentially a ring of honor, retiring jerseys and not numbers. the players name jersey and number will be in the stadium and its still an exclusive club. a player can wear 21 again on the field, but lattimore's 21 will always be in the stadium. assuming it gets retired 5 years from now. if lattimore gets his jersey retired in 5 years, it will still be a tremendous honor even if someone else is wearing 21 the next season.

the aspects of the policy make sense, because while it confuses fans, it makes sure there arent any snap judgments and keeps numbers in circulation.
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While I understand this, he is ultimately almost fully responsible for this university's turn around..
im still gonna give the nod to spurrier on this...without him we are still the old Carolina
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He needs a freaking statue.
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Yeah, you're right. He probably doesn't warrant any emotion or having his number retired.

The policy is dated and stupid. The players most likely to have a significant impact (particularly on the field) will be gone after 3 years anyway.

We're not talking about retiring everyone's number. We're talking about retiring one number which belonged to one Marcus Lattimore. And if anyone who comes after him matches his impact on, and more significantly to this discussion, off the field, then let Marcus be the standard by which others are judged. You act like we just invented the concept of special players having numbers retired. Should we never retire anyone's number ever?
The policy of retiring jerseys, but not numbers is new, and that is what most schools are doing now, I believe. The university tried to unretire some numbers, but one player(still living), balked. USC tried to give #2 to Alshon, but the player didn't go for it. It seems there are only so many numbers 0-100, and the university went for retiring only jerseys, not numbers. As far as I know, that is the policy.
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I'm all for retiring the jersey but no need to retire the number.

We're a growing program. We're getting big time players more regularly than ever. But are we going to retire Clowney's #? And the next 5* guy after that? Alshon did a lot here too. Just trying to put things in to perspective. Latti did everything right on and off the field but there were still big time players winning big time games for us for the 12 games or so Marcus didn't play in over the past 3 years. FlorenceCock made a good point about emotions.
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While I understand this, he is ultimately almost fully responsible for this university's turn around. I understand the policy, but to fans everywhere, this policy can be rewritten, especially when the name Lattimore is involved.
I disagree. The groundwork for USC's rise, imo, was the 2007 recruiting class, the best recruiting class ever at USC. By the time Marcus stepped foot on the field, these guys were redshirt juniors, and seniors. The 5th year seniors led to the first eleven win season at Carolina. While Marcus contributed a lot, especially his freshman year, he is not the sole reason USC turned it around. The ground work was already laid.
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Old 12-13-2012, 03:21 AM   #29
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He needs a freaking statue.
Not a bad idea or a bust or plaque, maybe, but a few years down the line. Not just yet. I want to see what kind of impact he makes in the NFL but even if it happens to not work out for him in the NFL, still a statue but still few years down the line and put it somewhere near the entrance of the new Farmer's Market grounds where everyone could see it. Also, an award for all around talent and service to community in his name would be cool maybe given at the Garnet & Black Spring Game annually.
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I actually like this sentiment a lot, but a lot of players will want to make their own name. Barring this, though, retire it. It should be hanging in the stadium. There will only ever be one #21.

I wouldn't say there will only ever be one #21, I was always a big fan of Ryan Brewer. We can't forget about him.
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Old 12-13-2012, 03:49 AM   #31
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I believe AD policy is that players who leave early for the draft aren't eligible to have their numbers retired.
There are exceptions to every "rule". No individual player has had such a great effect on this program as Marcus Lattimore and he deserves to have his Jersey retired
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I get why we don't retire numbers......Young kids are attached to numbers.....Hell in any sport I play I always try to wear #8 because I idolized and still idolize Cal Ripken Jr. Alot of emotion is flowing right now with Lattimore and in Spurrier I trust b/c well Spurrier has been doing this for a long time and however Spurrier decides to remember Lattimore and pass onto his players what an impact he had on this program on and off the field, well I am sure it will be the right one.

But to the point of showing Lattimore how much he meant why don't you make an award that is presented at the beginning or the end of the year each year to the one player who exemplifies most what it is to be a 3 tool student athlete......The 3 tools being contributions on the field and to the team (could be a player sacrificing playing time or moving to another position to help the team b/c it does not always have to be the guy making sports center highlights), tool 2 being a great student so dean's list or top 5 GPA on the team, and tool 3 which is what I think Lattimore did more then any player we have had at SC and that is community envolvement/character. Lattimore had the most humble unselfish way about going about life. He was willing to give his time more then any other player we have ever had suit up for us and I think the only time he said no to someone was when the coaches told him he couldnt b/c they did not want him to stretch himself to thin........

So I propose this, get a trophy at the beginning or the end of each year of Marcus posing whether it be suited up running or just standing there. Mount it and give it out at the beginning of each year. And in our trophy room put a bigger version with each player from 2012 on starting with the great Marcus Lattimore and so on and so forth.

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I'd rather see a statue. We need some statues outside the stadium. Marcus, George, and Spurrier.
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This song reminds me of Lattimore
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Old 12-13-2012, 05:05 AM   #35
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I'm okay if it's retiring his jersey and not his number. I'm just advocating for recognition. I get the logistics of retiring the number. I would prefer his number be retired, but am okay if it's simply his jersey/ring of honor situation.
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I'd rather see a statue. We need some statues outside the stadium. Marcus, George, and Spurrier.
Off topic, but why isn't there one of George? When UF kids visit they see the statues of Spurrier, Wuerffel, and Tebow. Why don't we have one of George? And next year for Clowney when he wins. I'd chip in a $100 as an alum to help make that happen.
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We do NOT retire numbers. We retire jerseys. Retiring Marcus's jersey is entirely appropriate.
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I agree.

I understand the sentiment to retire a number, but quite honestlly what do we do when Clowney leaves next year? Retire his number too?

Hang a replica of Marcus's jersey in the stadium with some of his records listed, or create a "Marcus Lattimore Award" for the best RB each year.

We don't need a statue of him. George needs one for winning the Heisman...sadly, Marcus never got the chance.
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I think a lot of these ideas are over the top for a guy that didn't play a full 3 seasons.

A statue? Really?
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He never got 1st Team All American, didnt graduate Carolina, and didn't score a TD against Clemson. And y'all are talking about retiring a number and even a statue? lol

I love Marcus as much as the next guy, but let your emotions settle and make a rational decision

Please don't blast me.
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