Shaw vs Manziel....

[JTsecSC]

Originally Posted by gripitandripit2007

When people say stats aside...that usually shows that there is a biased opinion coming. Connor is a good QB who has led us to 2 of the greatest seasons we have ever had in the history of Gamecock football and while i know it was done with a lot of great players around him and not done by himself...he was a huge part of it and hasn't played a full season 100% yet...can't wait to see it happen!

Awwww, you must not know? Connor "The Golden Cock" Mitch is going to be the man after January. And by the man, I mean SOS is converting ALL eligible qb's to special teams and WR corps, and will not even mention a backup.

True story. Heard it in the proving grounds...

[cocked&ready2rock]

Originally Posted by CockaThaWalk

This can't be a debate? Manziel is a gunslinger. Connor is a peashooter.

This is hilarious. True but funny as hell

[Garnet girl]

I wonder how many votes Connor Shaw got for Heisman? Connor Mitch has the possibility, but he has not played a single down of college football.


Clowney for Heisman. Let's give that story legs.

[jcook84]

Originally Posted by JTsecSC

Awwww, you must not know? Connor "The Golden Cock" Mitch is going to be the man after January. And by the man, I mean SOS is converting ALL eligible qb's to special teams and WR corps, and will not even mention a backup.

True story. Heard it in the proving grounds...

I can vouch, I got confirmation from Jungle Boi, JT, and Diggs over lunch.

[uscfreek88]

i am anxious to see what manziel looks like next year without that beast OL

[unmeaty]

Like...in quarters? Or football?

[Rebel4ever]

Originally Posted by superfly

Just something to talk about but we all know Manziel won the Heisman based on the Alabama win. If you look at the rest of the games you could make a case that Shaw is better than Manziel. They both lost to LSU and Florida. Shaw had a fracture in his sholder and a foot injury....Manziel was not injured. Our team put us in the hole at Florida but it was an away game and at the Brice it would have been a different game (see Georgia) while Manziel had Florida at home. We both lost to LSU but A&M had them at home. I look forward to see the havoc a healty Shaw can put on the SEC next year. He will fly under the radar for a while. Like I said...just a thought.

Difference between Shaw and Manziel is that Manziel does not nut up against great defenses, ala Alabama. Shaw does, ala LSU, Florida. I know Manziel lost to LSU and UF also but did not get blown out and had his team in position to win those games. Shaw fumbled on the first play in the UF game and overthrew many wide open receivers that would have went for TD's. Plus, losing composure in the LSU game, throwing a really silly pick that LSU scored on the drive that pretty much put the game away for LSU. Difference is Manziel plays up to his competition and Shaw shrivels up like a egg shell. Against average defenses, Shaw can play great. He can't handle great defenses, Manziel can.

[superfly]

Originally Posted by Rebel4ever

Difference between Shaw and Manziel is that Manziel does not nut up against great defenses, ala Alabama. Shaw does, ala LSU, Florida. I know Manziel lost to LSU and UF also but did not get blown out and had his team in position to win those games. Shaw fumbled on the first play in the UF game and overthrew many wide open receivers that would have went for TD's. Plus, losing composure in the LSU game, throwing a really silly pick that LSU scored on the drive that pretty much put the game away for LSU. Difference is Manziel plays up to his competition and Shaw shrivels up like a egg shell. Against average defenses, Shaw can play great. He can't handle great defenses, Manziel can.

Shaw was injured against both LSU and Florida.....big difference. I have played injured before and it throws everything off. Judge him next season healthy.

[Dizzy01]

Originally Posted by Rebel4ever

Difference between Shaw and Manziel is that Manziel does not nut up against great defenses, ala Alabama. Shaw does, ala LSU, Florida. I know Manziel lost to LSU and UF also but did not get blown out and had his team in position to win those games. Shaw fumbled on the first play in the UF game and overthrew many wide open receivers that would have went for TD's. Plus, losing composure in the LSU game, throwing a really silly pick that LSU scored on the drive that pretty much put the game away for LSU. Difference is Manziel plays up to his competition and Shaw shrivels up like a egg shell. Against average defenses, Shaw can play great. He can't handle great defenses, Manziel can.

You might want to actually look at Manziel's numbers against LSU before hyping how he kept them in the game. 3 picks and 0 TDs is hardly something to brag about.

[Travelin]

Originally Posted by unmeaty

Like...in quarters? Or football?

Quarters, but with a football instead of a cup.

It's the new craze, man.

[B&GSpur]

Originally Posted by spareparts

Manziel is gonna be bigger than Tebow

Yeah, he only needs to put on 35+ pounds.

[ThrustingCock]

Originally Posted by superfly

Just something to talk about but we all know Manziel won the Heisman based on the Alabama win. If you look at the rest of the games you could make a case that Shaw is better than Manziel. They both lost to LSU and Florida. Shaw had a fracture in his sholder and a foot injury....Manziel was not injured. Our team put us in the hole at Florida but it was an away game and at the Brice it would have been a different game (see Georgia) while Manziel had Florida at home. We both lost to LSU but A&M had them at home. I look forward to see the havoc a healty Shaw can put on the SEC next year. He will fly under the radar for a while. Like I said...just a thought.

I somewhat agree here... Shaw was injured all year, and showed great signs of playmaking ability and for those saying manziel has him beat bc of explosiveness and what not.. lets not forget that shaw had an 80 yrd run called back for a flag he was already past and can change a game with his arm and his legs Garnet Glasses or not a healthy Shaw can be the guy to lead the cocks to a ship and hold the heisman if things happen right hell... i bet if we let him try a PAT and he makes it .. that could be his 'heisman moment' who am i kidding Loooooong shot to win it but no less of a good player than johnny foosball

[ThrustingCock]

Originally Posted by Dizzy01

You might want to actually look at Manziel's numbers against LSU before hyping how he kept them in the game. 3 picks and 0 TDs is hardly something to brag about.

you sound as if connor didnt have us in position to beat LSU
now lets not forget..(night game in the real death valley) lost by 2 and played slightly injured.. ill say this right now.. somebody quote me please
Connor Shaw plays with more heart and more courageously than any other player in the country. hes a gamer and i firmly believe he would do anything to get a W for gamecock nation

[ThrustingCock]

Saying that Connor Mitch is the man after January and all the other qbs are going to ST and WR is the funniest thing ive ever seen hopefully Mitch can someday be a badass SEC champ but cmon man! you must be sniffin sharpies and spray paint man dont get me wrong..he tore it up this past season but hes a 2A HS player who isnt even on campus yet we have 2 proven winners and think hes going to be the man after January??? cmon be real here..cmon man i hope the Mitch statements were 100% sarcasm

[Goofyboy]

Based on what he did this year. MAYBE....BUT....Southern Cal was supose to win the NC based on Barkleyvl returning. How did that work out?

You drunk? Or grasping for straws?

[uga dawg]

If I were the OP, I would forget Manzel. the match-up you should be concerned with is Shaw vs Dylan Thompson for a starting job in 2013. if I was coach, Thompson would be the starter. your players have a little pep to them on the field when he's in the game, that they don't show when shaws in there. if shaw starts over thompson, its because the coaches put to much value on upper classman play. shaw doesn't have half the mechanics that dylan does. he's a short passing scrambler, and thompson is a technical qb who goes through his check downs, and fires the ball with some authority when the play needs to be made. not sitting in the pocket jumping around like a crow for 3 seconds and running. I don't even like carolina, so there is the real deal from someone who doesn't care either way.

[Justhatguy]

There were some writers who didnt even think Manziel deserved the Heisman and not because he was a RS Freshman but because they weren't that impressed with what he did. Because of recent winner QBs like Cam and Tebow, if you are a successful running and passing QB on a high profile team, then you have a chance to win the Heisman.

I think we put on garnet glasses the same way any other school's fans would say that have a super human QB. Shaw had a lot of hype coming into the season but also a few question marks (i.e Gamecocks go as far as Shaw will take them, etc). By the numbers, shaw can be as efficient, but he is not as good as Manziel is.

If we look at pure numbers:

YRDS CMP% TD INT QB Rating Rushing Yds

Manziel 3419 68.3 24 8 155.9 1181

Shaw 1732 67.3 15 7 156.9 339

B Miller (OSU) 2039 58.3 15 6 140.5 1271

M Mariota (Ore) 2511 69.9 30 6 165.4 690

[b381l]

Originally Posted by superfly

Every thing considered I think a healty Shaw could be as good as Manziel. Manziel played injury free...big difference. Shaw will ha e his chance and individual ststs do not always equate to winning. We'll see.

While Connor is fast, Manziel is just as fast or maybe faster. Manziel's arm is much stronger, and he looks for open receivers while dodging defensive players. How many big hits did he take this year, almost none because he has the ability to not put himself in a position to get hit. I appreciate your effort, but this is not even close. Here's the really big difference, Manziel's bad game against Florida was his first game, the rest of the games he continued to improve except for LSU. Connor only improved marginally from last year to this year. Bruce led the team in yards with about 500. Many of Connor's passes are to RB or TE that are short, fairly easy passes. Connor can't seem to throw on time and usually doesn't see open receivers down field. Name the best game Shaw has had away from home. We have a great defense and that's why we have been so good the last couple of years. Our offense ranks like 85th in the country this year.

[Carolina4eva]

Running the ball you maybe could have a argument. Passing the ball no way. Thing is with shaw you have to be careful when looking at stats. A lot of his stats are due to a shit ton of dump off passes to the te and rb. I remember the Missouri game for one. Seemed like 75% of Connors passes were dump offs to Cunningham or Lattimore

[snoopcockycock]

wow! the most successful qb in the history of the university of south carolina, who has sacrificed of himself to play hurt, with an extremely painful fractured scapula all year, is talked about like this from his schools fans????????????? really???? he had a better qbr, and i think also a better completion percentage than johnny football, while playing HURT! johnny had lsu and florida at home, while we played them on the road with half the team missing most of the week with the flu.
yes, i agree that manziel is more gutzy in throwing downfield, but with that ol, why wouldn't he be? how many freshmen and sophomores did we have on an under-performing ol? now try to follow this. a qb with a very painful fractured scapula and foot, is playing behind a porous ol, who has allowed guys in the backfield after less than two sec's all season long, and you guys wonder why he is run happy? easy to be an armchair qb, isn't it?
the biggest difference between the two is the ol in front of them, and their health. with that good of an ol, and without his injuries, i think connor could have put up similar numbers. i'm not saying connor is as good, but to say they aren't comparable is ridiculous.