Tanner McEvoy

[CoverTwo]

Mangus didn't recruit/sign Garcia so I didn't include him. But he was the QB coach when Garcia became the first USC QB under Spurrier to throw for 3,000 yards and there was noticable improvement from the time Mangus took over for Reaves.

Its fair to hold last season against Mangus, but I don't think we've ever seen a player (Garcia) do a 180 like he did.

[Flameout12]

Originally Posted by CoverTwo

Its fair to hold last season against Mangus, but I don't think we've ever seen a player (Garcia) do a 180 like he did.

Player relations is just as important as coaching/recruiting. That's one thing GA brings that was not here before...and it's a big improvement. People seem to forget that not a single QB recruited under SOS has completed their full eligibility (Garcia almost made it.). Connor will be the first.

[Cocky2001]

Originally Posted by CoverTwo

I don't know. We only have a small sample size.

Connor is 16-3 as a starter and when he is healthy, he is one of the better dual threat QBs in the country.

Dylan has made the most improvement from day 1 of any Spurrier QB at USC.

CS is 16-3 as a starter because we have had a killer defense and Marcus, Kenny and Brandon in the backfield with him. CS is a great athlete who can do enough at the QB position to win with the other things mentioned.

Originally Posted by JQ94

Mangus QB, Garcia and Shaw suffer with decision making.

Ive questioned Mangus coaching ability for a while...helluva recruiter

Garcia and Shaw dont appear to trust SOS system, Dylan seems to trust ig...results-Dylan looks lile a far better passer
I say this bc Shaw throws to receivers, Dylan throws to positions, a few tomes before the playrr even.makes a cut...vs man cvg thats damn hard to defend

I'm not too sure you can blame GA for all of this. Garcia was too lazy to learn SOS's schemes, was used to winning just 'hot dogging' or ad libbing his way and wasn't going to change.

CS has confidence issues with throwing the ball. He is used to tucking and running and he knows that he has a weak arm and a tendency to throw short and behind receivers.

Each have had different reasons for not 'buying into the SOS system', but the net result is the same. In the heat of battle, you play to your own strengths...and for both of these guys, that hasn't been the 'SOS system'.

On the other hand...

Dylan either has much more confidence than any one could have imagined, or he approaches things with the attitude that he has nothing to lose. Either way, he has been the most "Spurrier-like" QB that SOS has had here. Of our current QBs, he has the most upside by far...now that can change this spring, but until it does, I think the QB position is his to lose next season.

Originally Posted by Kazak

While McEvoy was here, I mentioned several times that I believed he had the highest upside of any QB we've ever had on a USC roster. 6-6 QBs with elite mobility and arm strength are extremely rare.

I'm not surprised at all by the recruiting battle that's going on now. If he finds himself in the right situation, he'll wind up in the NFL too. Physical specimens like McEvoy do not get ignored by scouts, and he would put up video game numbers at a school like West Virginia.

Me too!

Honestly, going into August, I thought that Tanner would either beat CS out before the season started, or that he would take over by the third game. I believe, and this is my opinion, that he thought that he was doing that but not getting a fair shake or look in the process, figured that he never would, so he bolted. Had he stayed, I do believe that he would have been our starter from the second game this season on with the way that things panned out for CS this year.

I wish him well wherever he ends up unless he is facing us.

[ConwayGamecock]

Originally Posted by Cocky2001

CS is 16-3 as a starter because we have had a killer defense and Marcus, Kenny and Brandon in the backfield with him. CS is a great athlete who can do enough at the QB position to win with the other things mentioned.

Name one single college QB who had a 16-3 record in college or better, who accomplished it without all those "other things".....

[sc455]

Originally Posted by ConwayGamecock

Name one single college QB who had a 16-3 record in college or better, who accomplished it without all those "other things".....

what he said.

[Cocky2001]

Originally Posted by ConwayGamecock

Name one single college QB who had a 16-3 record in college or better, who accomplished it without all those "other things".....

Yeah, I know, I say that to illustrate that Conner isn't the best passer on the planet without having to post numbers that are negative to him. I like CS...I do... and I appreciate all that he has done for us. He certainly saved our tails last season. But, he isn't a complete QB (passing) and I feel like he has taken us as far as he can. Trying to say that without appearing to be negative about CS isn't easy. Until he can back people out of the box with his passing threat, we have platued (sp) with him.

See what I am saying?

[Acockolypse Now]

I gotta believe that with all our QB troubles here lately that if he could have beaten out Connor and Dylan, he would have.

Maybe our coaches are jerks that play favorites, but I haven't seen the evidence of that.

[Barry_gamecock]

Dylan is the first Carolina qb since...maybe Blake, but def. Phil Petty who knows how to throw the ball away. I have hated watching Garcia and Shaw take sacks.

[Cockyhard]

Brendan Nosovitch won the Maxwell Football Club's first Pennsylvania Player of the Year award and was named to the PARADE All-America football team following his senior season... is the state's career record-holder with 12,877 total yards( previously held by Dan Marino) and second all-time in the state in passing yards (9,249) and touchdown passes (106)... He redshirted this year.... I think he could get in the mix...

[Emery]

So who recruited McEvoy? I would call it a miss in that he either couldn't compete for a 3rd string job in a largely unproven qb pool or his work ethic/attitude didn't fit in here.

[Cockyhard]

Originally Posted by Emery

So who recruited McEvoy? I would call it a miss in that he either couldn't compete for a 3rd string job in a largely unproven qb pool or his work ethic/attitude didn't fit in here.

G.A. Mangus

[Emery]

Originally Posted by Cockyhard

G.A. Mangus

Sorry, rhetorical question.

[Cockyhard]

Originally Posted by Emery

Sorry, rhetorical question.

oh.... lol.... my bad... I havent started drinking yet today Im a little slow right now... lol

[Cocky2001]

Originally Posted by Acockolypse Now

I gotta believe that with all our QB troubles here lately that if he could have beaten out Connor and Dylan, he would have.

Maybe our coaches are jerks that play favorites, but I haven't seen the evidence of that.

I wouldn't go that far, but in his eyes...

[Schecter]

I always had high hopes for this kid. I hope he succeeds wherever he goes.

[pitchcock]

Originally Posted by Emery

So who recruited McEvoy? I would call it a miss in that he either couldn't compete for a 3rd string job in a largely unproven qb pool or his work ethic/attitude didn't fit in here.

Maybe you have inside info that I don't, but you continually say that McEvoy bailed because of bad work ethic, etc. Maybe that's true, maybe not.

In truth, he'd only played QB one season in high school, and had a lot to learn about the position. Being that far down the depth chart doesn't give a QB much of a chance to improve during the season, because practice reps are limited.

He probably made a wise move in transferring to the JUCO, and getting valuable playing time to hone his skills. Being that far down the depth chart, he wasn't going to get any meaningful practice time until Spring, then he would still be splitting time with Shaw, Thompson, Nosovitch, and Mitch. QB isn't like DE, LB, or WR...there's only one starter, and only so many balls available to throw.

Personally, I hated seeing the guy leave. He's very athletic, and if nothing else could've been a great WR here...but he wanted to play QB.

I'd like to think he learned a lot here, and applied that to playing for that JUCO team. It would be nice to see him get picked up by someone and play lights out...just not against us.

[Emery]

Originally Posted by pitchcock

Maybe you have inside info that I don't, but you continually say that McEvoy bailed because of bad work ethic, etc. Maybe that's true, maybe not.

No info, my point was he either left the team b/c a. he was unhappy with the depth chart position or b. personal issues, either not meshing with coaches or not wanting to put in time. If there is another reason to leave after a redshirt freshman year then I can't think of it.

I don't feel after a redshirt freshman year you can know what the next season will hold. If he put in the time who knows what could have happened. It just bothers me that at a position where we have a limited number of players and scholarships we can't seem to get anyone to finish their eligibility here.

Plus, both those issues seem to be able to be addressed during the recruitment process so I also feel that during that recruiting cycle he took away another players chance for a scholarship. I know we will use it this year, but tell that to the kid who didn't get to play for a college he really wanted to.

[b381l]

Originally Posted by ConwayGamecock

Name one single college QB who had a 16-3 record in college or better, who accomplished it without all those "other things".....

We had a 16-3 record because we have a great defense and Connor doesn't turn it over. Is he a great QB, absolutely not.....but he is OK. Name his best road game.

[Gyle41386]

Originally Posted by b381l

We had a 16-3 record because we have a great defense and Connor doesn't turn it over. Is he a great QB, absolutely not.....but he is OK. Name his best road game.

By these numbers, his best road win (in terms of pass efficiency defense) was over Vandy in our season opener.

[yazoo]

Originally Posted by davidmc467

Is he a dual-threat QB?

I ask because he has interest from Oregon and West Virginia, who employ running QBs in Mariota and (now formerly) Geno Smith.

He was a tight end until his senior year in high school. So, he must have some ball skills.

Originally Posted by Emery

That's an optimistic way to look at the situation...the other way is that the staff didn't recognize what they had in McEvoy. I will say that a player who quits after a year or so due to too much competition at a position isn't a player I want on the team.

Maybe McEvoy didn't want to wait around three years before he played. It is not likely he would have surpassed Connor, and now Thompson looks to be encansed as the backup. A lot of players transfer because they want to play college ball and they don't see a way to crack into a starting role. There is nothing wrong with some attrition because it means we have good quality at the top.

Originally Posted by b381l

We had a 16-3 record because we have a great defense and Connor doesn't turn it over. Is he a great QB, absolutely not.....but he is OK. Name his best road game.

Nebraska. Awesome game for CS.

Somebody said Connor has a weak arm. That is total BS. Spurrier has stated time and again that Connor throws a nice deep ball. He also makes that sideline pass on a rope . . . the kind of pass Smelley was unable to execute.

Connor's weakness is the same as Taj Boyd. He has a tendency to take off when his first read is covered up. However, he has shown on occasion, that he can indeed make the reads. He did it in the UT game, and played outstanding. He just needs consistency. IMO, that comes with experience.