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Old 12-20-2012, 12:14 PM   #81
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1. This isn't a rec league...you don't play them because they work really hard and are nice guys, you play the best available.

2. I still stand by that if you are playing two quarterbacks it's because neither can completely perform the tasks required ergo neither are perceived as complete quarterbacks.
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Ah hah!! You sir are correct! Finally. Someone has the appropriate concern for our current QB situation. Can't you people understand that if we had a sure shot starter and leader he would undoubtedly be playing... every game... the whole game... no questions. I don't see AJ McCarron sharing snaps with his back up. I don't see Aaron Murray sharing snaps with anyone. Hey. These guys aren't Peyton Manning, but they have proven themselves amongst their peers as the best and start! WE NEED A GUY TO PROVE THEMSELVES. I'm so over all of this both will play crap. I'm sure our receivers are too. Chemistry between players is a real thing and it matters. In my opinion, Dylan Thompson has better leadership qualities, clearer vision, and a stronger arm. Shaw is more athletic and a better runner. I would like to think anyone with any football IQ would agree that Dylan has better QUARTERBACKING skills. He makes great decisions and make great throws to reinforce them. If his first read is not open, he will work through his progression, throw the ball, and scramble only if necessary. Shaw just seems to panic, tuck, run, juke, and pick up a few yards with his feet if his first read is not open. Yes, he does make big plays sometimes on the scramble (which presumably adds confidence of pseudo-success in his legs), but it is not acceptable when trying to win championships... That's what I want. I'm so over being 4th-6th best team in the SEC every year and going to a new years day bowl in Florida. That's a great accomplishment for a lot of teams, but it's not the goal for a program that hires Steve Spurrier and invest Millions of dollars to provide the best environment for winning. I'm ready to take the next step! I WANT A CHAMPIONSHIP.
You are very right on your analysis.
I think one "problem" is that a lot of fans (myself included) really like Shaw and his toughness he has shown, and want him to succeed.

But when you do a blind test and just look at it from a pure QB perspective, Dylan is the better QB...but Shaw is more athletic, and has won some big games in the SEC...Dylan hasn't won those games because he hasn't gotten the chance to play in them.

I also think Connor's hurt shoulder really effected him this year.

I say Dylan gets majority of snaps in the bowl game, and then we have an all out competition with a healthy Shaw, Thompson, Nosovitch and Mitch and may he best QB win in the spring.
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Opposing teams adjusted to Shaw's style and reduced his effectiveness. His short passing style enabled defenses to defend him so Dylan comes in after Shaw's injury and hurls the ball deeper and this opened up USC's offense again.
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Ah hah!! You sir are correct! Finally. Someone has the appropriate concern for our current QB situation. Can't you people understand that if we had a sure shot starter and leader he would undoubtedly be playing... every game... the whole game... no questions. I don't see AJ McCarron sharing snaps with his back up. I don't see Aaron Murray sharing snaps with anyone. Hey. These guys aren't Peyton Manning, but they have proven themselves amongst their peers as the best and start! WE NEED A GUY TO PROVE THEMSELVES. I'm so over all of this both will play crap. I'm sure our receivers are too. Chemistry between players is a real thing and it matters. In my opinion, Dylan Thompson has better leadership qualities, clearer vision, and a stronger arm. Shaw is more athletic and a better runner. I would like to think anyone with any football IQ would agree that Dylan has better QUARTERBACKING skills. He makes great decisions and make great throws to reinforce them. If his first read is not open, he will work through his progression, throw the ball, and scramble only if necessary. Shaw just seems to panic, tuck, run, juke, and pick up a few yards with his feet if his first read is not open. Yes, he does make big plays sometimes on the scramble (which presumably adds confidence of pseudo-success in his legs), but it is not acceptable when trying to win championships... That's what I want. I'm so over being 4th-6th best team in the SEC every year and going to a new years day bowl in Florida. That's a great accomplishment for a lot of teams, but it's not the goal for a program that hires Steve Spurrier and invest Millions of dollars to provide the best environment for winning. I'm ready to take the next step! I WANT A CHAMPIONSHIP.
I don't recall seeing AJ McCarron play over a half of football game after having
sustained a very sever injury to the back that resulted in fracture that
he had to play with the entire season AND FORCED NICK SABAN TO
START HIS BACKUP FOR A GAME OR TWO.
I don't remember seeing Aaron Murray limp around for three games on
a foot that was diagnosed as having been Fractured, AND Playing on that
foot for about three games until it got bad enough for Mark Richt to
pull out of the lineup and play the Backup.
Spurrier pulling Connor out of the lineup this season to play Thompson
had nothing to do with disipline or experimentation. Shaw played more
than 75% of this season with fractures in the back and foot, and STILL
went 8-2 for the season as the starter. Had Shaw not gotten hurt in the
first game of the season against Vanderbilt, Thompson never starts the
ECU game, or had Shaw not taken another shot from a Blitzing LB that
landed him on his back, Thompson doesn't play the majority of the
game against UAB. .... Had Shaw's foot not continued to have gotten
worse since injuring it against UT, and finally ended up limping through
the entire game against Wofford, Thompson doesn't start the Clemson
game.

I said it earlier in this thread, and I'll say it again with for Clarity.

"THE ONLY QB CONTROVERSY WITH THIS TEAM NOW IS THE ONE OUR
FANS TRY TO CREATE DUE TO PERSONAL FAVORITISM TOWARDS ONE
QB OVER THE OTHER" ....It has absolutely nothing to do with lack of
talent from our starter.
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I agree with Talon , Dylan deserves a taste of the pie .He has worked hard on improving himself . When needed he proved he could handle the job. Like I said earlier this season for the first time in USC history we have a dependable backup at QB position. I do not agree that reguardless the QB the offense is the same .Conner is more a short range gunner that is also a runner. Whereas Dylan is more of a long range bomber. IMO..This doubles the work for Mich. defense to prepare for.If the running game works you will see Conner, if we find weakness in pass protection I feel we will see more Dylan. anyway I would like to say, I think all our players deserve praise for thier effort this year. ....THANK ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK AND THE EXCITEMENT YOU FILLED MY SATURDAYS WITH. For all our seniors I will be looking forward to seeing you on sundays. GOOD LUCK TO YOU ALL WHAT EVER YOUR PATH.....
Spurrier does not agree with your scouting report. He has said several times that Connor throws a nice deep ball.

If you're looking for a distinction, Connor is slightly more inconsistent in using his checkdowns. DT seems to be somewhat better at scanning the field and finding receivers.
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I don't recall seeing AJ McCarron play over a half of football game after having
sustained a very sever injury to the back that resulted in fracture that
he had to play with the entire season AND FORCED NICK SABAN TO
START HIS BACKUP FOR A GAME OR TWO.
I don't remember seeing Aaron Murray limp around for three games on
a foot that was diagnosed as having been Fractured, AND Playing on that
foot for about three games until it got bad enough for Mark Richt to
pull out of the lineup and play the Backup.
Spurrier pulling Connor out of the lineup this season to play Thompson
had nothing to do with disipline or experimentation. Shaw played more
than 75% of this season with fractures in the back and foot, and STILL
went 8-2 for the season as the starter. Had Shaw not gotten hurt in the
first game of the season against Vanderbilt, Thompson never starts the
ECU game, or had Shaw not taken another shot from a Blitzing LB that
landed him on his back, Thompson doesn't play the majority of the
game against UAB. .... Had Shaw's foot not continued to have gotten
worse since injuring it against UT, and finally ended up limping through
the entire game against Wofford, Thompson doesn't start the Clemson
game.

I said it earlier in this thread, and I'll say it again with for Clarity.

"THE ONLY QB CONTROVERSY WITH THIS TEAM NOW IS THE ONE OUR
FANS TRY TO CREATE DUE TO PERSONAL FAVORITISM TOWARDS ONE
QB OVER THE OTHER" ....It has absolutely nothing to do with lack of
talent from our starter.
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I agree with you .Conner is very capable of throwing deep.He is terrified of throwing a interception and should be. He will continue to improve his checkdown skills . I would like to say the OL is the problem,[ they do need to improve a lot ] but tompson is behind the same line so it has to be a matter of concentration. If only you could trust each player could handle his assignment. It is hard to look down field when you are looking around you for line penatration .Maybe trust =better concentration IDK...
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This will be interesting heading into spring practice. ESP if Dylan burns it up.
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Meanwhile, while we all chirp and chatter like so many birds on a wire, Coaches Spurrier and Mangus have been consistently saying in their post-practice pressers that Shaw looks to be very healthy and is having solid practices throwing the ball. Hasn't said a lot about Thompson, but I also haven't seen any questions about Dylan being asked in the videos....
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Shaw better throw the damn ball. No more of this garbage looking to run on over half of called passing plays. Dylan proves that standing in the pocket and throwing will work.
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Would a healthy Shaw improve his passing? Yes but Dylan still has the better arm and he runs too. We can better utilize Ace and Ellington catching passes with Dylan in there. Dylan is also using the TE more. Shaw rarely used the TE.
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Meanwhile, while we all chirp and chatter like so many birds on a wire, Coaches Spurrier and Mangus have been consistently saying in their post-practice pressers that Shaw looks to be very healthy and is having solid practices throwing the ball. Hasn't said a lot about Thompson, but I also haven't seen any questions about Dylan being asked in the videos....
Shaw might look solid during practice because during practice the HBC doesn't put up with Shaw looking to bolt on the first signs of pocket collapse, when he gets in the game he doesn't do what he does in practice. Shaw is too ingrained in the triple option and zone read offense, let him finish out his career at Carolina next year with this offense and then HBC can finally do what he has wanted to do for 8 years be a heavy pass team. Shaw wins us games no doubt but you know the HBC is chomping at the bit for a chance to do what he did at Florida.
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I don't recall seeing AJ McCarron play over a half of football game after having
sustained a very sever injury to the back that resulted in fracture that
he had to play with the entire season AND FORCED NICK SABAN TO
START HIS BACKUP FOR A GAME OR TWO.
I don't remember seeing Aaron Murray limp around for three games on
a foot that was diagnosed as having been Fractured, AND Playing on that
foot for about three games until it got bad enough for Mark Richt to
pull out of the lineup and play the Backup.
Spurrier pulling Connor out of the lineup this season to play Thompson
had nothing to do with disipline or experimentation. Shaw played more
than 75% of this season with fractures in the back and foot, and STILL
went 8-2 for the season as the starter. Had Shaw not gotten hurt in the
first game of the season against Vanderbilt, Thompson never starts the
ECU game, or had Shaw not taken another shot from a Blitzing LB that
landed him on his back, Thompson doesn't play the majority of the
game against UAB. .... Had Shaw's foot not continued to have gotten
worse since injuring it against UT, and finally ended up limping through
the entire game against Wofford, Thompson doesn't start the Clemson
game.

I said it earlier in this thread, and I'll say it again with for Clarity.

"THE ONLY QB CONTROVERSY WITH THIS TEAM NOW IS THE ONE OUR
FANS TRY TO CREATE DUE TO PERSONAL FAVORITISM TOWARDS ONE
QB OVER THE OTHER" ....It has absolutely nothing to do with lack of
talent from our starter.
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Bring back Gracia... LOL.. I am just kidding... Shaw has earned our respect. He has earned the starting job for the Bowl Game. Come spring practice let the best man win the job.
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That's so not true.
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This is normal for the HBC. And not just at USC
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This is normal for the HBC. And not just at USC
It's not normal to have two QBs as good as Spurrier has.
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They are both excellent within their own style of play. The team will be great with either one. It's just a matter of who fits better with the other playmakers on the field.
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I will be fine with either one. Both have their strengths and weaknesses.

Start Shaw, but also let Dylan play. Spring and summer practice will be interesting
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MAn I hope we don't lose this game.

If we do, it will be because one qb or the other did not play enough.

And the qb didn't get enough snaps will vary by the preference of the poster.

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