Dylan Thompson To Play

[ZenUSC]

Originally Posted by SimpleGamecock

Our defense is second to none for the 2nd straight year and has kept us in every game. We also have the talent on offense to get there and I think Connor has the skill set for it but at times he seems to rely on his legs more than trusting the offense and getting the ball to the open recievers.

Agreed. Conner plays the ball close. That seems to be the knock against him. Spurrier wanted him to throw more. Conner's style won't win vs an LSU. As time goes on opposing D's learn to contain Conner.
Playing the ball close is a plus on most weekends because of our D. We keep ending up one win shy of a SEC East title. Who can get us that last win?

[yazoo]

Originally Posted by ZenUSC

Agreed. Conner plays the ball close. That seems to be the knock against him. Spurrier wanted him to throw more. Conner's style won't win vs an LSU. As time goes on opposing D's learn to contain Conner.
Playing the ball close is a plus on most weekends because of our D. We keep ending up one win shy of a SEC East title. Who can get us that last win?

It's simple. Cover his first read. Cover the QB run/scramble.

That is how we shut down Taj.

To beat the defensive game plan, Connor needs to make his second and third reads. If he does that, the defensive gameplan is toast.

[snoopcockycock]

Originally Posted by ZenUSC

It was thompson's ability to hit Ellington and Ace that broke open the Clemson game. We do have big play WRs that we have to throw to. If we dont utilize our playmakers in that game we could easily have lost.

actually it was clempscum's db's inability to catch the ball that broke open that game.

[pantera17]

Originally Posted by snoopcockycock

actually it was clempscum's db's inability to catch the ball that broke open that game.

And you act like shaw hasn't had a lot of picks dropped. Smh.

Hey at least Dylan hasn't thrown an int to lose us a game. And has actually played well on the road.

[Cock Kool-Aid]

Why is this thread still happening...

[snoopcockycock]

[quote=Loathor;3610275]
C... Against LSU we had 34 pass attempts and only 25 rushes... so your telling me that a team that runs the ball 55+ percent of the time for the year decided, against one of the top 20 pass defenses in the nation, to pass it 75+ percent of the time (as at least half of those rushes were supposed to be passes that Shaw "ran" instead)?[/quote]

don't give them logic, it just screws their heads up! i love how these guys throw out some ramdom ridiculous crap, and when you come back with logic and facts, they change the topic.

Originally Posted by Emery

At this point the only reason this discussion is going on is that neither qb's have distanced themselves as a starter. If Shaw could have managed to pull out LSU or we hadn't peed ourselves in Florida then this wouldn't be an issue.

no! no! no! no! the only reason this is a discussion is because we are all waiting on the bowl game, and have nothing better "gamecock related" to do. it isn't a discussion for sos, who has made it plain and clear several times. how is it that you guys can't acknowledge that? why are you arguing with the decision of a hof coach?

Originally Posted by Emery

We still don't have a championship. I would assume that's what he is talking about. If Shaw doesn't manage a team that can get back to Atlanta then his winning percentage in a few years will be a nice trivia question but that's about it.

95% of the teams in the country still don't have a championship!!! getting a championship isn't getting over the hump, it is ONLY FOR THE ELITE!!!
have you forgotten 0-21? have you forgotten 5-7 wins a season just a short time ago? we are definitely over the hump with back to back to back nine win seasons, and two ten win seasons in a row, in the toughest conference in the nation. you have no idea what reality is!

Originally Posted by SimpleGamecock

Maybe you are too "grounded in reality" why is it hard to imagine that South Carolina cant compete with them? With the exception of Florida this year and Auburn in the Championship we have been competitive with those schools and have even beat Bama. It's time for a dose of reality when you have success it's going to set higher expectations. That is not just for the fans but for the team. Do you think Swearinger says we can't compete for the title because we do "best they can with the resources they have" if we beat Florida we are in Atlanta and there is not a doubt in my mind we had a shot at beating Alabama.

there is a huge difference in pulling out a win against them here and there, and competing with them. they have ten times more money than we do. they have ten times more tradition than we do. they have just as good of coaching as we do, and ten times more geographical "homebody" recruiting ground than we do. yes, we can beat them sometimes, but the deck is stacked in their favor. we are closing the gap, and soon than most realistic fans would have ever thought. but to say we should always beat them, is ridiculous. they still have a giant advantage.

Originally Posted by Emery

And in the last four years we lost to: Florida, LSU, Auburn, Arkansas, Kentucky, Florida State, Georgia, Tennessee, Connecticut.

Scheduling plays a role, but to say we are over the hump when we continue losing games we have no business losing is a bit much. Sure we don't have the resources of a Bama, LSU etc. but to say that this is the best we can expect is wrong too.

every team loses games they shouldn't be losing!!!! seriously get a clue! if you don't believe it's true, ask bama if they should have lost to tam. ask lsu if they should have lost to florida. ask florida if they should have lost to uga... you need to find another measuring stick, because yours is broken.

Originally Posted by Cocky2001

I may not know how many s/n's you have, but I do know where you live: Spin City. You have tried addressing every thing under the sun (well, three of them at least) but not one word about Connor's tendency to curl up in the fetal when the pressure is on.

you really need to clean off your glasses. and as far as where people live, will you ever leave fantasy land? connor can't handle pressure? really? what do you call coming back into the vandy game, when dylan couldn't do crap, and winning that game, even though he was in tremendous pain? how many 4th qrt comebacks does shaw have to orchestrate before you get it? how does a qb accomplish a school record 16-3 career record, in the toughest conference in the nation, and not be able to handle pressure? you guys are too funny! but at least you are entertaining.

[Dizzy01]

Originally Posted by yazoo

It's simple. Cover his first read. Cover the QB run/scramble.

That is how we shut down Taj.

To beat the defensive game plan, Connor needs to make his second and third reads. If he does that, the defensive gameplan is toast.

I thought if you covered his first read then all Shaw did was dump the ball to the TE or RB. Now he scrambles instead of throwing the dump pass? Man that kid is an amazing multitasker.

[pantera17]

Well obviously it isn't that set in stone. Since spurrier said Dylan will play. I believe he really likes what he sees in Dylan and is getting tired of Shaw's unwillingness to throw it.

[trapper82]

Originally Posted by pantera17

Well obviously it isn't that set in stone. Since spurrier said Dylan will play. I believe he really likes what he sees in Dylan and is getting tired of Shaw's unwillingness to throw it.

What is set in stone is Spurrier makes a healthy Connor Shaw the starter, and that has never changed. Whenever Connor Shaw has been healthy he has started the game. 1 simple question I would ask to anyone who wants Dylan Thompson to start is this why would Spurrier continue to do that if Dylan was the best option to win?

[pantera17]

Originally Posted by trapper82

What is set in stone is Spurrier makes a healthy Connor Shaw the starter, and that has never changed. Whenever Connor Shaw has been healthy he has started the game. 1 simple question I would ask to anyone who wants Dylan Thompson to start is this why would Spurrier continue to do that if Dylan was the best option to win?

Spurrier has done that since he has been here. He stuck with Mitchell. And he stuck with Garcia, when Garcia was playing so bad in 2011.

[Emery]

Alright--I'm convinced that Shaw is clearly the better quarterback and Thompson is equally as great but Shaw is the starter clearly.

I have also tapered my desire for a championship and am now content with making Outback bowls and one day, if all does great for us, maybe even a Cotton Bowl. However, I see that the BCS and any hope of a championship should never be expected from a middle tier team like South Carolina.

[trapper82]

Originally Posted by pantera17

Spurrier has done that since he has been here. He stuck with Mitchell. And he stuck with Garcia, when Garcia was playing so bad in 2011.

So you are essentially saying Spurrier cannot pick the best quarterback or if he can he chooses not to play them for people that are more senior in the program, is that about it?

[DiamondGamecock]

Originally Posted by pantera17

Spurrier has done that since he has been here. He stuck with Mitchell. And he stuck with Garcia, when Garcia was playing so bad in 2011.

SOS didn't stick with Garcia in 2011.. he was passed up an then kicked off the team man. Remember lol

[ReadR00ster]

Originally Posted by DiamondGamecock

SOS didn't stick with Garcia in 2011.. he was passed up an then kicked off the team man. Remember lol

Shaw started the season too.

[snoopcockycock]

Originally Posted by pantera17

Well obviously it isn't that set in stone. Since spurrier said Dylan will play. I believe he really likes what he sees in Dylan and is getting tired of Shaw's unwillingness to throw it.

yeah, that is a logical deduction, seeing as to how he continually repeats that connor is the starter.

[snoopcockycock]

Originally Posted by Emery

Alright--I'm convinced that Shaw is clearly the better quarterback and Thompson is equally as great but Shaw is the starter clearly.

I have also tapered my desire for a championship and am now content with making Outback bowls and one day, if all does great for us, maybe even a Cotton Bowl. However, I see that the BCS and any hope of a championship should never be expected from a middle tier team like South Carolina.

really? if this is a serious post, then i believe you are too far gone to help. just a few years ago, we were winning an average of 6-7 games a year. we are now averaging 9-10. coincidentally, connor has a 16-3 career record as our starting qb. HE PLAYED HURT ALL SEASON LONG, AND WE STILL WON AT LEAST TEN GAMES!!!!! do you get that? and you think this progression will just flatten out, even though there are NO indicators to back this up. you are one of the most unappreciative fans i have ever seen. a qb plays his heart out, IN PAIN, all season long, and just wins. your reaction, he can't do any better than the outback bowl, and we need a backup qb, with two wins against terrible defenses to take us to a championship. there is the brink of insanity, and then there is the abyss, which you have obviously fallen into.

[SimpleGamecock]

[quote=snoopcockycock;3610679]

Originally Posted by Loathor

95% of the teams in the country still don't have a championship!!! getting a championship isn't getting over the hump, it is ONLY FOR THE ELITE!!!
have you forgotten 0-21? have you forgotten 5-7 wins a season just a short time ago? we are definitely over the hump with back to back to back nine win seasons, and two ten win seasons in a row, in the toughest conference in the nation. you have no idea what reality is!


there is a huge difference in pulling out a win against them here and there, and competing with them. they have ten times more money than we do. they have ten times more tradition than we do. they have just as good of coaching as we do, and ten times more geographical "homebody" recruiting ground than we do. yes, we can beat them sometimes, but the deck is stacked in their favor. we are closing the gap, and soon than most realistic fans would have ever thought. but to say we should always beat them, is ridiculous. they still have a giant advantage.

I am not sure where you seeing us not being able to be compete with them. We SWEPT the East last year, have a 3 game winning streak against UGA & Tennessee beat, Flordia 2 straight years (prior to this year), stayed within 2 points of LSU on the road....I think we CAN compete with them. Like Emry said ealier so we just give up all hope at any success above winning a game here and there against top teams? I am a Gamecock fan whether we go 0-12 or 12-0 I have never wavered on that. Like I said earlier though when you have success you will look for new firsts. Even Spurrier has said the best part of the SC jobs are all the firsts that can be accomplished here. I guess you should have just told him this is the highest SC can go. As for that "ELITE" comment did you forget who we are playing in the Outback Bowl this year? Michigan the All Time winningest program? I bought my ticket to go to that game but I should just give it up because Championships are only for the elite.

Prior to Spurrier, Florida had never won a SEC Championship then he won 4 straight and it became, "when will he win a National Championships?" Prior to Saban LSU's last NC was in the 50's now they expect it. As a program you have to expect to be able to compete with the bests and expectations grow. We have one of the greatest coaches in SEC history, #1 ranked DE in the nation, new facilities a fanbase that is committed to supporting the program....I think our resources are fine.

[yazoo]

Originally Posted by Dizzy01

I thought if you covered his first read then all Shaw did was dump the ball to the TE or RB. Now he scrambles instead of throwing the dump pass? Man that kid is an amazing multitasker.

Well, that is what you should do. The RB and TE are a second read. DT does a good job of this as well. Remember the Clemp game. It was painful to Tiger fans when he would hit our backs on swings on 3d and long and they would ramble for the first down. There is nothing wrong with checking down to the RB or TE. Sometimes, that's the only pass the D is giving you.

I don't really understand criticizing using your dump off routes. That is what all good QBs can do. Was I misreading your post as critical of that fundamental QB operation?

Originally Posted by pantera17

Spurrier has done that since he has been here. He stuck with Mitchell. And he stuck with Garcia, when Garcia was playing so bad in 2011.

Maybe my memory is poor, but I thought Spurrier benched Garcia after the Auburn loss. Before that, Spurrier faced incessent complaints from the Columbia media and some idiotic, so-called fans that he was pulling Garcia so often that he was hurting his confidence.

[Cocky2001]

Originally Posted by snoopcockycock

connor can't handle pressure? really? what do you call coming back into the vandy game, when dylan couldn't do crap, and winning that game, even though he was in tremendous pain?

Well, I don't think that Dylan received much practice time that week, but, perseverance pays off, I have now seen the light...

Connor Shaw should be our starter!
Injured or not.
He's our man.
He brought us back...
He brought us back against...
He brought us back against Vandy!

LSU, Florida, and 'Bama be damned.
We have a QB that can bring us back against Vandy.
Now that they are a perienniel (sp) football power in the SEC
I wonder who will become the token academic school?

[Dizzy01]

Originally Posted by yazoo

I don't really understand criticizing using your dump off routes. That is what all good QBs can do. Was I misreading your post as critical of that fundamental QB operation?.

Sarcasm doesn't come accross well in type. I was merely commenting on the fact you stated he runs after making his first read while others have complained that he throws too many passes to the TEs and RBs after making a single look.

It's kind of like Spurrier saying he likes the fact that Shaw doesn't force the ball and create turnovers and then 10 minutes later saying he needs to throw the ball up more. QBs are always the most criticized player on a football team.