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#281 |
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![]() Stats are used for better passers in almost any debate of any athlete I have ever heard. Chances are...RB with most yards/TDs (stats) is better...WR with most yards/TDs/receptions (stats) is better...same goes with the QB...most of the time the QB with the better stats is the better QB
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#282 |
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Male Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Columbia SC
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![]() Connor has thrown a ton of screens that have went for 20 yards or so.
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#283 | |
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Male Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 3,963
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Look, the bottom line is that if you guys want to break down every type of pass that is thrown and discuss whether or not Ace Sanders unfairly runs for more yardage when Connor passes then go for it. I know one thing.... When Connor drops back to pass we pick up almost a yard more per play then when Dylan drops back to pass.. Pretty convincing stat to me. |
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#284 | |
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Male Join Date: Dec 2012
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In those three games (ECU, UAB, and CU), he was 49-88, 817 yards, nearly 56% completion, and a little better than 14.6 yards per completion. Before you discount this entirely, look at his stats for last year. He had a 100% completion rate with 8.5 yards per carry and a rating of 171.4. The stinger is that he threw only two passes last season. You can make stats say anything you want them to say. I agree with Mark Twain. "Figures often beguile me, particularly when I have the arranging of them myself; in which case the remark attributed to Disraeli would often apply with justice and force: 'There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.'" - Mark Twain's Own Autobiography: The Chapters from the North American Review |
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#285 | |
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And Dylan's QB rating for last year was from 2 passes...just like ESPN does it...u have to average at least 16 passes a game I think it is to qualify...so I don't agree with how u make stats say what u want them to say. Stats are facts...and the better players typically have the better stats |
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#286 |
Stop slow blinking at me
Male Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Charleston, SC
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![]() You said he missed a read that the CB was blitzing. I was pointing out you are totally incorrect and that we invited the blitz on that play. If you know much at all about football, you know that on designed screens, the OL lets the rushers go.
Now you want to change your position and say since the RB didn't execute, Connor should have thrown the ball away. That is a better argument but I still disagree. Connor is a playmaker and many times this year has made great plays running out of trouble in the pocket. Unfortunately, in this instance, the defender made a good play on the ball and caused a fumble. Brutal start to, as it turned out, a very poor game by our Gamecocks. Watch the bowl practice videos from yesterday. HBC again describes our team as a very good defensive team. We play offense in a manner as not to make any mistakes, no turnovers and no sacks. Connor is better at not turning the ball over and not taking sacks. IMO, this is a very important determining factor all year as to who gets the call at QB. Dylan isn't as careless as SG was but compared to Connor, he is carless with the ball and needs to learn to value possession of the football much more than he did in the Clemson game. |
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#287 | |
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These are Shaw's stats for the past three years. Please note the YPA and rating on 2010. Look at his YPA for 2011. He played in 10 games. Even if you throw out ECU and Vanderbilt, his YPA wouldn't come up to Thompson's. I'm not saying the Thompson is the better passer or quarterback. I'm saying that there isn't enough information to compare the two yet. You are using such a small sampling for Thompson that the comparison isn't fair. I don't know how to make it clearer. I kept stats for high school teams for years. I know from experience that stats don't tell the whole story, and that one player can be made to look better than another by isolating certain stats. As for what Spurrier thinks, he wouldn't play Thompson in the bowl at all if he didn't think the kid had earned it. Shaw would have the whole game. It appears to me that he's assessing both young men in regards to the starting position. Right now, there seem to be two starters who can't start at the same time. The spring will tell the tale. |
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#288 | |
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As far as stats...I never said they tell the whole story...but still the fact is typically the player with the better overall stats is indeed the better player As for SOS...he wouldn't start Connor if he didnt think he wasn't the better QB |
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#289 |
Gamecock gamer!
Male Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Laurens
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![]() Is there anything more divisive to the fan base of a team that is having success than a QB controversy? I don't think so. I get that this is a message board and is meant for discussion, but this constant back and forth is accomplishing nothing. My take is this: whoever is in at QB, that's who I hope has success. Beyond that, it does me no good to favor one over the other, because my opinion won't affect Spurrier's decision on who gets the playing time.
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#290 | |
1st Team All-SEC
Male Join Date: Mar 2011
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You are right though that stats can be misleading when you are looking at a small sample size but when you have enough to actually make an even comparison the only reason to throw them out is they don't support your argument. |
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#291 | ||
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Location: Columbia
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For S's & G's I'll repeat myself. If you need stats to know who is the better passer, in this case, you don't know what passing a football is. Quote:
The only plausible argument against Dylan, which I have yet to hear, is the fact that the teams he has faced have forced us to throw. Gave him opportunities by selling out to stop the run. I'll buy that. Arguing stats, that are relatively close in comparison, when a guy has 2.5 games worth of numbers is irrelevant, the sample size isn't big enough... AND... we have yet to see what he can do vs. a solid defense. |
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#292 | |
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And again...if Dylan hasn't played enough to compare to Connors...then what I have been saying the whole time is correct...Connor has PROVEN more & is the clear cut best QB SO FAR...could he PROVE to be better over time...OF COURSE...but is he right now...OF COURSE NOT! |
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#293 | |
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#294 | |
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#295 | |
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And as I have explained numerous times...it is very rare a QB does good against the D's we faced this year. Look at the heisman winner and what he did against LSU & Florida this year. Connor actually played just as good if not better than he did against these teams. Most of the Dylan homers don't understand how important great D's are...I know Manziel played good against Bama...but Connor played good against a good D too...Georgia. And also keep one more thing in mind...he did good against most teams he faced this year while he WAS HURT!! A lot of team Dylan keep forgetting that |
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#296 | |
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Male Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Columbia SC
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Connor has only had four games where he has played the QB position right. How it's meant to be played. How it should be played. Other than that he has been below average to average. At best. Many people forget how bad our offense was in 2011 with Connor at QB because of how the team finished the year. This year he has regressed in my book. Even before he got hurt at vandy he just didn't look the same as he did at the end of 2011. |
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#297 | |
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Male Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: South Carolina
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You really sound like a Clemson fan. You sound like a Clemson fan for the last four years saying that despite the fact that they haven't beaten SC, they are still the better team and "anyone can see it." Connor picks up more yards per play every time he touches it. That is the only stat I care about and yes, that stat absolutely does matter. You saying it doesn't matter is as ridiculous as saying that the scoreboard doesn't matter. The team picks up more yards per play with Connor at QB. It is amazing that even with all of these things that you say Connor "can't do" or "doesn't do" when he is on the field, the team averages almost a yard more per play. Amazing how that works. |
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#298 |
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Male Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 3,963
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![]() Love that Spurrier says Connor is an "excellent passer" and all kinds of other good things about Connor's passing ability but yet some fans on a message board think that if someone thinks Connor has the ability to pass the ball well that they are "blind."
I guess Spurrier is blind. |
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#299 | |
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I'll give you one guess as to why they had a top 25 pass defense. Hint: It had nothing to do with skill. |
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#300 | |
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Location: South Carolina
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Why is Connor our staring QB then? Dylan has been on the team for the past two seasons, yet he has only started when Connor is injured. Why is that? Spurrier sees them in practice. Wouldn't Spurrier see all of these GLARING differences that you think make Dylan the only QB on our roster that can beat a good defense??? Yet, amazingly, Connor is still the starting QB. Why is that? |
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