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Old 12-31-2012, 05:27 PM   #481
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Wasn't both the Falcons and the Saints in the post season? I am going merely on records
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Once Carolina gets its defense back to 100% and doesn't give up leads, a Super Bowl is a lock. Cam Newton is the next generation of NFL QB. When either RG3, Luck, and Wilson amass 9400 total yards 62 TDs in the first two years then people can say Cam isn't a good border line elite QB. If the defense stayed healthy Cam as a QB would have 20+ career wins by now. He isn't the one the blows coverages, how many games have been determined by 7 points or less in the last two seasons easily a dozen games, majority of those Cam was forced to constantly play from behind after the defense imploded. Lets not forget that Newton had zero preseason other than training camp and was able to do amazing things. This year's QB class had the full offseason with their organization.s.

All three of those rookies are in the playoffs. So when Cam does that may be then be can be classified as a good QB. He is nowhere near elite. The panthers won 6 games and 4 of them were against god awful teams that had basically quit on their coach. Also how can you claim anything about divisions when the panthers are playing in as weak a division as anyone else. Bucs and Saints were weak this year and yet they barely beat either team once in their 4 tries. So only team to worry a out this year was falcons and no one is sold on them being legit.

Luck had just as much preseason as newton, since Stanford is trimester and didn't finish the spring until July. Luck had to miss all those training camps because of league rules. Either way, the off season excuse is a joke.

You complain about D and no OL. Have you watched the redskins? They have had no OL and their D gives up 27 points a game, yet RG III has them in the playoffs. Great QBs are leaders and make their team better, Cam is not that.
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Cousins won a game behind that "horrible OL and D" as well.....

skins lost to panthers btw

and RG3 almost never throws down field
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I believe it's best if Uscfreek be one of the People for Cam because SSO never makes any good arguments.
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I like RGIII....he's a good kid. But I worry about his durability in the league.

But Newton's has the physique to play for a long time and rack up some really impressive numbers. Only bad thing is I don't think he'll be with the Panthers very long.
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Cousins won a game behind that "horrible OL and D" as well.....

skins lost to panthers btw

and RG3 almost never throws down field
Actually RG III throws plenty downfield. I really don't even get how that somehow proves something, either. So since Cam is wii g to just chuck it up more often that makes him better? There is a reason RG III didn't throw as many picks, he doesn't just throw it up into coverage. Cousin beat the browns, not anyone good. Also one game somehow proves the OL is good? If you watched the game, you'd have seen they had to play action and roll the pocket because OL couldn't protect straight drops. Just as when they play the panthers they couldn't protect RG III on straight drops.

Again, Cam is new Romo. People love his flashes but ignore he won't win the big games.
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IMO, Cam is the better athlete than RGIII. But RGIII is the better QB IMO. He seems to have Cam on the mental part. But also remember this when comparing Cam and RGIII. This is Cam's 3rd year playing at a high level of football. RGIII is in his 5th? Had 4 years at Baylor and was able to develop in that offense whereas Cam only started to develop when he got to Auburn in 2010.
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I think you're a Cam hater, if I'm wrong then I'll admit it, but Cam has played great over the last 6-7 games. He hasn't turned the ball over either. Cam is only in his second year, and your already calling him a bust? That doesn't add up when you watch his play on the field. Cam had more TD's than Luck, and RG3 his rookie year, also completed over 60% of his passes. RG3 has completed most of his passes, but Luck is under 55%. Cam only has one true weapon to throw to, and that's Smith. His line is horrible, and Carolina's Defense stinks. He might not ever win a Championship, but he'll be a very good QB in this league. He has size, arm strength, and his athletic ability is off the charts. RG3 if he can stay healthy will be a great QB to. Luck is the worst of the three (in my opinion) bc while he does have the size, he doesn't have great arm strength, and he lofts to many balls in the are. That's why his completion % sucks.
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I think you're a Cam hater, if I'm wrong then I'll admit it, but Cam has played great over the last 6-7 games. He hasn't turned the ball over either. Cam is only in his second year, and your already calling him a bust? That doesn't add up when you watch his play on the field. Cam had more TD's than Luck, and RG3 his rookie year, also completed over 60% of his passes. RG3 has completed most of his passes, but Luck is under 55%. Cam only has one true weapon to throw to, and that's Smith. His line is horrible, and Carolina's Defense stinks. He might not ever win a Championship, but he'll be a very good QB in this league. He has size, arm strength, and his athletic ability is off the charts. RG3 if he can stay healthy will be a great QB to. Luck is the worst of the three (in my opinion) bc while he does have the size, he doesn't have great arm strength, and he lofts to many balls in the are. That's why his completion % sucks.
I'm not a Cam hater (if you are talking about me). Just go read the Panthers thread. I think Cam is the man. He's a freak talent
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Ok? What does that prove? They play in different systems is all it says. RG III broke rushing yard record of Cam.

To being a Cam hater. If think someone is overrated, not elite QB and not the god of QBs is being a QB hater than I guess that's me. I look at it as being realistic and evaluating them on their play. Cam may have only been in the league two years but you can already see the pattern of stas but no wins. The argument about no OL or D doesn't work since Luck and RG III both have dealt with the same type of bad team problems. What major WR does RG III have? Cam is a super athletic guy, but that doesn't make him a great QB. Also saying Luck doesn't have the arm is incorrect. Watch Peyton manning and you will see many if the same other balls into tight windows. Luck throws a great ball that is very catchable, which is biggest thing a QB needs.

I wouldn't expect panthers fans to dislike their guy but some of the statements and beliefs on him are over the top.
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How many leads has the Skins and Colts defense's blown not as many as Carolina D has the last two years.
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IMO, Cam is the better athlete than RGIII. But RGIII is the better QB IMO. He seems to have Cam on the mental part. But also remember this when comparing Cam and RGIII. This is Cam's 3rd year playing at a high level of football. RGIII is in his 5th? Had 4 years at Baylor and was able to develop in that offense whereas Cam only started to develop when he got to Auburn in 2010.
most people above the age of 9 do too, so that's not really saying much.
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Ok? What does that prove? They play in different systems is all it says. RG III broke rushing yard record of Cam.

To being a Cam hater. If think someone is overrated, not elite QB and not the god of QBs is being a QB hater than I guess that's me. I look at it as being realistic and evaluating them on their play. Cam may have only been in the league two years but you can already see the pattern of stas but no wins. The argument about no OL or D doesn't work since Luck and RG III both have dealt with the same type of bad team problems. What major WR does RG III have? Cam is a super athletic guy, but that doesn't make him a great QB. Also saying Luck doesn't have the arm is incorrect. Watch Peyton manning and you will see many if the same other balls into tight windows. Luck throws a great ball that is very catchable, which is biggest thing a QB needs.

I wouldn't expect panthers fans to dislike their guy but some of the statements and beliefs on him are over the top.
Pierre Garcon. 1-5 without him, 9-1 with him. RGIII also has help from one of the best rushing attacks in the game, while Cam deals with one of the worst.
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How many leads has the Skins and Colts defense's blown not as many as Carolina D has the last two years.
Well they are the 26th and 28th ranked Defenses in the league.

Its fair to say that RG3 has more help. Sure Garcon is not as good as Smith, but RG3 had the 2nd leading rusher in the NFL on his team and a veteran coach.

Luck really doesn't have much besides an old Reggie Wayne and a bunch of rookies and underachievers, had to go through a mid season coaching "change", and is on a team that was supposed to be rebuilding.
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while RG3 had more yards....Cam had more first down runs, more 20+ yard runs, more TDs and RG3 fumbled 9 times Cam only 4....not to mention the injury factor, Cam started and finished every game this year
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Well they are the 26th and 28th ranked Defenses in the league.

Its fair to say that RG3 has more help. Sure Garcon is not as good as Smith, but RG3 had the 2nd leading rusher in the NFL on his team and a veteran coach.

Luck really doesn't have much besides an old Reggie Wayne and a bunch of rookies and underachievers, had to go through a mid season coaching "change", and is on a team that was supposed to be rebuilding.
thats why i think he should be O-ROY and will prb be the best out of these 3

id go Luck, Cam, RG3....ppl forget that colts and panthers had #1 pick and skins had to trade up
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thats why i think he should be O-ROY and will prb be the best out of these 3

id go Luck, Cam, RG3....ppl forget that colts and panthers had #1 pick and skins had to trade up
I would too.

My comment about RG3 wrapping it up wasn't my choice, I just feel that's who's going to win it considering where he plays, what his team did, and his flashy numbers. (remember it's an AP voted award)
I also think Russell Wilson is getting disrespected by not being mentioned in the OROY debate. And that because he plays in Seattle.

Like I said, for every 2 steps back SSO takes in the Cam debate you take a step Forward
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