Move Shaw to WR for senior season

[me4USC]

Originally Posted by crowcutta

did you not watch the bowl game? jones had a 70 yard reception and byrd had a 56 yard td reception.

i dont disagree with the concept that he would still know the offense and be able to be in the right position, but its a huge stretch to compare him to kenny mckinley. or that he would get open vs man coverage nearly as good as our 4 short wr's.

shoot if he can be that good of a wr, why not suggest redshirting him.

I have no idea if you're right or not, but I completely agree that the majority of the posters have no concept of thinking outside of the box. I also chuckle every time I read that Shaw is 17-3. Spurrier himself gave Thompson credit for UAB, though that's not the way the stats read. I heard him slip up and say it in an interview. I also think he would give Thompson credit for the Outback Bowl. We would have lost that game without Thompson. Yeah, I'm a Thompson fan, but I'm not blind. He went in with just over twenty seconds on the clock and scored the winning TD with 11 seconds left. Without that, we would have lost. He also scored his previous TD in that game in three snaps (I think). It looked easy. Do you honestly think the game would have been that close at the end had Thompson played two full quarters instead of about 5 minutes?

I think Shaw is a wonderful qb, and I'm taking anything away from him, however, trumpeting that stat is just BS.

[Gamecock History]

Originally Posted by Don Giovanni

You didn't ask me, but I'll respond anyway. If Thompson were to earn the starting job, then I definitely would want Shaw waiting in the wings in the event of an inury instead of someone who hasn't seen the field at the position. And if he were to devote the offseason to developing skills at the WR position, there's little doubt he would be unable to retain all the knowledge necessary to play QB.

Ellington starts playing basketball again after 2 days of practice

Clowney has averaged practicing only about 2 days per week due to his foot injury

DeAngelo Smith has practiced at WR for 3 years and hasn't played much at all

Everything is relative to the player. Shaw knows the playbook inside and out, which is why it isn't a big deal he is missing so much practice from his surgery.

I think the practice aspect would be a non-issue

[sandstorm2001]

Originally Posted by wholelottacock

6. It would put more play makers on the field at one time: Thompson, Shaw, Sanders, and Ellington.
[B]Way to insult all of our receivers and tight ends in one fail swoop. If any one of our receiving corps is reading this please don't take this post as the sentiment of the fan base. People that know anything about football know exactly why your not producing and it starts with the O line.[/b]

It has as much to do with the fact that Shaw is completely incapable of throwing a receiver open as it does with the O-line...maybe more. If he doesn't see them wide open, they don't get the ball.

[Cheezy]

The problem is people can't admit when they're wrong. Some can, and happily move along with their lives having been enlightened. Some are proven incorrect with facts and statistics, and instead of saying "Oh, hey, I never thought of it that way... " or "Oops, maybe you're right, I see your reasoning now" they get extremely defensive, and start projecting and attacking others instead of opening their mind to accept another point of view. Sure, you thought outside the box, Gamecock History, but then you stayed there. You've locked down your one thought, and wont look at it any other way, even when valid points have been made multiple times. Ironically, you are now stuck inside "the box" by refusing to think inside of "the box" AND outside of it.

[Gamecock History]

Originally Posted by JDRAY^#

I would want shaw competing, practicing, watching film, and backing up Thompson as a QB. Shaw would never see the field as a WR in CFB. And no one is saying Shaw will be an NFL QB, because he wont. Shaw will never be a WR in the NFL either. Its the same as Tim Tebow, everyone says Tebow is not an NFL QB and he needs to change positions, but everyone knows there is no way for Tebow to learn a position he has never played/hasn't played for while and compete on the NFL level.

Simply not true.

Corey Jenkins played 3 games at linebacker in college and then went on to play a few years in the NFL as a linebacker. Tebow could easily switch to fullback or TE just like Colin Klein will be drafted as a TE rather than a QB.

[JDRAY^#]

Originally Posted by me4USC

I have no idea if you're right or not, but I completely agree that the majority of the posters have no concept of thinking outside of the box. I also chuckle every time I read that Shaw is 17-3. Spurrier himself gave Thompson credit for UAB, though that's not the way the stats read. I heard him slip up and say it in an interview. I also think he would give Thompson credit for the Outback Bowl. We would have lost that game without Thompson. Yeah, I'm a Thompson fan, but I'm not blind. He went in with just over twenty seconds on the clock and scored the winning TD with 11 seconds left. Without that, we would have lost. He also scored his previous TD in that game in three snaps (I think). It looked easy. Do you honestly think the game would have been that close at the end had Thompson played two full quarters instead of about 5 minutes?

I think Shaw is a wonderful qb, and I'm taking anything away from him, however, trumpeting that stat is just BS.

Do you honestly think Thompson could have broke that tackle in the backfield to extend the play and gain a first down to even give Thompson the opportunity he had in the last 11 seconds to win the game, haha. Shaw 18/26 224 yards, 2 TDs, 0 Ints, 10 rush att, 96 rush yards.

[JDRAY^#]

Originally Posted by Gamecock History

Simply not true.

Corey Jenkins played 3 games at linebacker in college and then went on to play a few years in the NFL as a linebacker. Tebow could easily switch to fullback or TE just like Colin Klein will be drafted as a TE rather than a QB.

Sorry but the NFL has changed since 2003. If you are to blind to see that then Im sorry. Tebow could play FB/TE, but no one is going to take that risk. NFL is a bussiness. NFL teams would rather draft/pick up a FB for cheap and bring in someone that is proven rather than "think outside the box" and potentially fail by playing Tebow at FB/TE. IF Shaw wants to continue his FB career after college at either QB/WR then he will be in the CFL. Also LB is a much different position than the QB/WR/TE in terms of athleticism.

[GTjacketcock]

Just kidding, but I would strongly disagree with this position change of a proven winner. How quickly people forget that it was Shaw, not Thompson, that threw that DIME to Ace in the only spot he could have placed it on the second to last touchdown. We have two very capable quarterbacks, which is a good problem to have since most teams wish they could just have one (trust me, I was a GT fan when Reggie Ball was there).

[eaglegolf018]

Originally Posted by Gamecock History

Yet you have a pic of our "back up QB" in your signature

I have Dylan in my sig because its the Clemson game and it was one if the best performances in USC history. Still doesn't change the fact that Connor is 17-3 and still needs to be the starter. It's his job to lose and he hasn't lost it.

[Gamecock History]

Originally Posted by Cheezy

The problem is people can't admit when they're wrong. Some can, and happily move along with their lives having been enlightened. Some are proven incorrect with facts and statistics, and instead of saying "Oh, hey, I never thought of it that way... " or "Oops, maybe you're right, I see your reasoning now" they get extremely defensive, and start projecting and attacking others instead of opening their mind to accept another point of view. Sure, you thought outside the box, Gamecock History, but then you stayed there. You've locked down your one thought, and wont look at it any other way, even when valid points have been made multiple times. Ironically, you are now stuck inside "the box" by refusing to think inside of "the box" AND outside of it.

Sorry, but there hasn't anything said or presented in this thread that has been "enlightening".

[FloydTheBarber]

Originally Posted by Gamecock History

Sorry, but there hasn't anything said or presented in this thread that has been "enlightening".

Thats because you insist on comparing apples to oranges, and that has made you closed off to all other arguments.

[Dizzy01]

Originally Posted by JDRAY^#

Do you honestly think Thompson could have broke that tackle in the backfield to extend the play and gain a first down to even give Thompson the opportunity he had in the last 11 seconds to win the game, haha. Shaw 18/26 224 yards, 2 TDs, 0 Ints, 10 rush att, 96 rush yards.

Don't you know that if Thompson had played the whole game that play would have never happened. Either the the team would have been up 40 bagillion to nothing or the player wouldn't have come free to the backfield becuase the team develops super powers when Thompson is in the game.

[MWard]

Simply...no.

[Spurticus]

I think another big "misunderstanding" in this thread is that most people
are viewing this from the vantage of "Shaw In The NFL" ... Shaw MIGHT
make it to the NFL, but there's a lot more likelyhood that he won't. I
also think Shaw and his family understand that the odds of him becoming
an NFL player are not that great.

Connor Shaw / Dylan Thompson and these kinds of guys are a unique
breed that has (unfortunately) fallen by the wayside. These guys take
the STUDENT part of student/athlete as serious as they do the sport they
play. They are also the kinds of young men who will be successful at
whatever they do after college, whether it be on a football field or in the
job field. Shaw is the kind of guy who will not end up on the unemployment
stat sheet, and desperate through life if he doesn't play football at the
pro level. If some team decides to give him a shot at it, or if he pursues
it on his own for a while if he doesn't get drafted, then he has the
athleticism to give it a good shot at playing in the NFL.

[JDRAY^#]

Originally Posted by Dizzy01

Don't you know that if Thompson had played the whole game that play would have never happened. Either the the team would have been up 40 bagillion to nothing or the player wouldn't have come free to the backfield becuase the team develops super powers when Thompson is in the game.

Haha yeah why didnt I think "outside of the box" and come to that conclusion. We need to tell Spurrier this immediately.

[Cheezy]

Originally Posted by Gamecock History

Sorry, but there hasn't anything said or presented in this thread that has been "enlightening".

So you haven't taken a single thing away from the other arguments? You haven't taken one statement, and said "Okay, yes, I understand how you can see it that way."? Every bit of reasoning from a point of view that differs from yours has been completely incorrect?

[Garnet Gamecock]

Originally Posted by Roosterboy

No.
Instead, have two capable QBs we can interchange.
We finally have QB depth and you want to blow it up.

This, plus Connor wants to COACH, not play in the NFL so much.

He's been prepping his whole life to be a coach.

If HBC wants him to run a few routes, so be it.

[Acockolypse Now]

I am a huge fan of Connor Shaw.

I'm also a huge fan of Dylan Thompson.

That is possible folks.

[AmonRa777]

Hopefully we can all appreciate having two really good QBs without choosing to undermine one to favor the other...They are both very capable of leading our team to the SEC championship next season...

They have different skill sets....Shaw is a very athletic mobile QB with a good arm...Sometimes he seems to prefer running for 4-7 yds to passing to an open tight end for 15 yds...But he keeps drives alive, works the clock and executes in the red zone.....Thompson is a true pocket passer with adequate mobility...He reads thru his progressions and spins it downfield with impressive accuracy...But he sometimes holds the ball a little long...

Thrilled to have them both...Great for our program...

[Cocky2001]

Originally Posted by Acockolypse Now

I am a huge fan of Connor Shaw.

I'm also a huge fan of Dylan Thompson.

That is possible folks.

So...what you are saying is that you are bi-quarterback?



(sorry, no disrespect intended, that was my first (albeit smart(butt)) thought, it made me laugh so I thought I'd share...at least it is not any dumber than most of the posts in this thread.)