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Old 01-04-2013, 03:10 PM   #101
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I completely disagree with the idea of moving Shaw to WR next season.

That said, I do agree that he will most likely be moved to WR in the NFL. If he runs a 4.5 forty at the combine, some team will be willing to develop him as a receiver, like many athletic QBs before him.

I believe the initial poster is right about Shaw's NFL potential at that position (I've posted about this before myself). Given two or three years of NFL development, I think Shaw could become a fantastic slot receiver at the next level. (A bigger Wes Welker type, with the same kind of work ethic, toughness, and intangibles.)
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That's something I hadn't thought of. I would never want him to have more than 2 or 3 percent of his snaps on the offensive side of the ball, but if he were to get a few carries here and there (provided they were pretty successful runs) and have a repeat of the year he just had on defense, I think he would win almost every vote for the Heisman.
Goal line offense when it comes to that time let him run it in run up the total number of TD's.... BOOM heisman.
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That's something I hadn't thought of. I would never want him to have more than 2 or 3 percent of his snaps on the offensive side of the ball, but if he were to get a few carries here and there (provided they were pretty successful runs) and have a repeat of the year he just had on defense, I think he would win almost every vote for the Heisman.
Goal line package or short yardage situations..Clowney at Fullback
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Shaw could very well be better than any of the three you mentioned. What have they shown so far?
Well Roland showed that even being very talented and playing the position full time doesn't mean a WR will have success immediately. If anything, Roland's struggles hurt your point my friend. Anyway, Jeffery was a RS freshman this season who I'm not sure ever got playing time, and Fuller was a true freshman who redshirted, so I'm not exactly sure what your point is in sort of calling them out.
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Shaw could very well be better than any of the three you mentioned. What have they shown so far?
He could be a better linebacker than Bryant or he could be a better head coach then Ward or he could be a better QB than Mitch oh wait he is the starting QB and has shown he can win at QB so nevermind you are right he should stay at QB since he has shown that!
Just so you know Shaq showed he was good enough to get on the field his freshmen season, so the HBC saw something. Fuller redshirted, maybe we should let Shamir try out at QB since he played QB in high school and has shown you nothing at WR.
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So it was absurd for Michigan to move Robinson to WR and/or RB?
Under the circumstances, no it wasn't.
Robinson could no longer throw the ball due to nerve damage in his throwing arm. If this was the case with Shaw I would agree with you.
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Roland showed he needed a redshirt.
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Wow, we have a player that is 17-3 as a starter and just finished the season ranked 9th in the COUNTRY in passing efficiency and you want to change his position? All I can say is wow.

Dylan may end up being the starter next year. Spurrier will get that decision and they both have proven they deserve a shot. But last time I checked, you need more than one person at each position.
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Do you feel better after that verbal vomit? You appear to be psychotic and certainly far too emotionally invested in this.

You are also putting words in my mouth. I don't curse or swear, so please don't attribute those remarks to me.

I have maintained throughout the discussion that we have two starting caliber quarterbacks. That is not Connor bashing. I'm merely pointing out that inflating his stats is getting a little old.

Take Thompson totally out of the equation. If Strickland or Clifford had replaced Thompson in the UAB game and the Outback Bowl, would we have still won?
Actually what he said made a lot of good points. Saying he is psychotic or too emotionally invested is an attempt to poison the well after he brought up those points, and if the cursing or swearing you refer to is the word hell then all he has to do is take the quotes away, that is the message you are giving off to many people. Your exact quote was:

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1. I don't think we would have lost if Connor had continued to play, I am most certainly not sure of it.
2. If Dylan had played the whole game I still think it would be close.

Connor and Dylan played great games, both helped us win, that should be end of story.
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Michigan's offense improved when they moved their senior QB to WR and RB. Just sayin. I'm not saying Shaw should be one of our starting WR's, but we could have some interesting packages with both Thompson and Shaw in at the same time. Similar to what Michigan ran against us in the bowl game. This is basically what the OP is saying, so I don't understand all of the outrage and people treating the OP like he's a complete idiot. Actually I do, that's just what happens on Cockytalk when someone proposes something out of the norm. I'm catchin' what you're pitchin, Gamecock History. I doubt it happens, but it's an intriguing concept atleast.

I stopped reading after this. Michigan' O got better because the Offense is built for a QB like Gardner, not Robinson. Robinson should never have been the QB in the O that Hoke wants to run.

Shaw on the other hand is built to run the O that SOS runs
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My God, you guys are overreacting to such a simple suggestion. Calm the hell down.
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Old 01-04-2013, 04:09 PM   #112
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FYI, today on the Herd show Spurrier was gushing about Thompson saying he could be an NFL QB.
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Old 01-04-2013, 04:12 PM   #113
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Someone heard from someone else that he was moving to LB since we need a few there.
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Not in agreement with any move but if there was a move to be made, RB would be the option but no dice there cause we are loaded. We just have to hope he improves his decision making and progressing through his reads. Two QB system can work for us next year, even better than this year. And we need Ace to not go pro. Shaw, Dylan and Ace starting clicking with one another towards the end of the season and that can improve as well.
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This is about as bad as the "sit Clowney in 2013" thread.
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I honestly can't believe the crap you post. SC was leading 21-6 when Dylan came in during the UAB game. Are you honestly saying that SC would have lost that game if Connor had kept playing? You really believe that Connor would have lost to UAB if had had played the whole game? One of the worst teams in college football? So unless you think that somehow Connor would have lost a 21-6 lead against one of the worst teams in football, then his "record" remains the same whether we won the game by 20 points or 40 points. So just for the fun of it, I will give you the Michigan game. So now Connor is 16-3 as as starter instead of 17-3. Whats your point?

You "chuckle" every time you see Connor is "17-3?' Why do you chuckle? Does it make you feel better or something? That is such a sad statement for a SC fan to make about one if it's players. It totally disrespects the accomplishments of someone that is out there busting their ass so that you can do nothing but watch for entertainment.

You really have a problem don't you. You accuse me of bashing Dylan, yet you can't show one post where I have said anything negative about him at all, then you act like there is no way in hell that our Connor could have won the game against Michigan. Connor had just gotten SC into a 1st and 10 and had gone 6 for 6 on the last two drives including one of the best throws you will ever see to Ace for a TD.

If you think DT should be the starter that is AWESOME!!!!! I would be happy as hell for him to be the starter because that would mean Spurrier sees that he can be a great QB.

But you need to quit bringing down Connor to get your point across. Sure, you have a "right" to do it, but what is your point? You say you "like" Connor. Well then why in the world do you feel the need to make sure everyone knows that you think he would lose all of these games for us if he got to play? For a guy you "like," you certainly go out of you way to make sure everyone knows that you think he would have lost the Michigan game even though he had busted his ass just to get Dylan into the position he was in to make that great throw. Why do that? Even if you think it, why do you feel the need to post it? Couldn't you just say "Dylan made an amazing throw and he is an amazing QB and I am so glad he is going to get a chance to prove himself in the spring and fall?" Why in the world would you feel the need to say "well Connor would have sure as hell lost the game for us" when Connor is a guy out there busting his ass and sure as hell did a pretty good job of getting us in the position to score in the first place.

You really are amazing. You want to try and "take a start" away from a guy that where his team was leading 21-6 when he was injured and give it to the other guy, yet you want to absolutely just create stats out of mid air when for Dylan.

Dylan deserves every bit of praise you are giving him (except for the made up stats). He played amazing in the Outback bowl and played very well against Clemson. I am sure he got game balls for both of them and Spurrier will give him a good look next year. He deserves it. He is one of the best Gamecocks you will ever see.

But you have got to stop with trying to take accomplishments away from Connor. He deserves those wins that he got because he busted his ass for them. He busted his ass in the UAB game in the first half and had the team up 21-6. It may not have been his best game. But to try and say that Connor doesn't deserve the "win" for that game as a starter when there is no chance in hell SC would have lost to UAB even if we had put Kenny Miles in at QB is just ridiculous and sad.

We know that you want everyone to know that you think Dylan is a better QB for the team. That is great that you think that and it is great that Spurrier will let them duel it out in the spring. Personally, I think Dylan has a great chance of winning the job.

But think about all of the things you are saying about Connor to prove that point... Do you really think he deserves that??

Your screen name is me4usc! Well for that screen name, you sure do go out of your way to criticize a guy that actually plays for USC and busts his ass for that same University.
just wanted to point that out.
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I wouldn't want him switched unless the position is secured by Thompson and his options are switch or watch. even then he shouldn't be forced.

what i would like to see is the same thing i noted i like to see after DT threw so well early in the season.... a package that has both lined up behind center, pistol depth, with opposing D not knowing who will take the snap until after the count starts and tus unable to adjust personel.

CS likely could snap off a few routes and certainly can threaten as a runner. the key would be if DT could be sufficiently effective as a reciever to actually threaten the D with CS at QB and DT something other than an extra part.. If not then the D would simply default personel choosing to DT at QB and CS at another position.
if thompson can justify the opposing D respecting him as a threat to catch the ball even on a very short simple route, he is big, strong and runs hard. Then the opposition would be in quite a pickle trying to guess who takes snap and how best to defend significantly differing strenths and aproaches.
lastly one thing on who is choosen for next yr that i haven't heard acknowleded in conversations. CS is at his current level after two preseasons, about one and a half regular season games in total between 11 and 12 and two post seasons of recieving the first team reps.
DT has reached his current level with a grand total of two FULL weeks of first team reps (week two and the CU week) dedicated to him. That is a significant indicator of upside. JMHO wvp
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