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Old 01-29-2013, 06:44 PM   #41
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I think a program we currently mirror would be Oklahoma State.
  • Head Coach- Offensive Minded, outspoken
  • Current State of Program- Program on the rise. Middle of the pack team who has went on to challenge the traditional powers. A team to be reckoned with now.
  • Championships- Big 12 Title vs. SEC East Title
  • Recruiting Base- Both of our coaches have designated areas we recruit from and tend not to stray to far from it. Their Texas is our Georgia.
  • Home State- Both have talented prospects but cannot fill our recruiting classes with just homegrown talent. Both of us have another BCS school that we compete with for the talent. OKlahoma Population 3.8 Million vs. SC- 4.8 million
  • Media Perception- Both are programs that are now gaining respect amongst the talking heads. Recently went from being "Dark Horses" in the conference to being upper echelon. The team others want to beat.
  • Perception to Recruits- We recruit better
  • Program Value- New facilities, hot teams within conference
I also look it at this way in terms of their Rivalry. Let's get something straight Clemson is NOT Oklahoma (no one can argue that) however they had the better record for years until recently. Clemson and Oklahoma both get love in the Preseason that quite frankly they don't deserve. Oklahoma State hasn't beat OK 4 times in a row but they are definitely matching up now. Obviosuly there are some flaws in this but no program is an exact mirror but I think I would consider them.
Ah I was going to say OK State as well. But we've talked about this before SimpleG
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:27 PM   #42
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Kansas State comes to mind for me. Historically mediocre and breaking out the past 2 seasons.
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:10 PM   #43
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Missouri, a historically mediocre program that's had some recent success. If memory serves correctly they were #2 in the country only to lose in the Big 12 championship game, and thus have still not made it to a BCS bowl.
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Kansas State comes to mind for me. Historically mediocre and breaking out the past 2 seasons.
I agree Kansas State probably fits best just because they were mediocre/awful before Snyder got there in 89. They are one of the few D1 programs with more losses than we have.

Kansas State has broken out before just the past 2 seasons though. They had some success under Snyder during his first stint, winning the Big 12 in 03 was probably the highlight.

Also I always think of Michigan State and NC state as having similar programs to us.
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K-State is who I thought of as well. Coaching makes all the difference.
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One that comes to mind for me is Michigan State.

That's the answer I've given any time this comes up. Solid program but more traditional powers in every direction that make it difficult to get over the hump.

Of course there's the Dantonio connection, but that's not relevant to the point, really.

Never considered it, but I like the Okie St comparision, too. Nationally 2d fiddle in their state, etc. etc.
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Stop the fan comparisons, it would be different now if we had a losing season, but traditionally, no fans were as loud as us in losing seasons from my understanding of our reputation and observations my few years of following during the Holtz years. Hell, Clemmies put their orange away during bad seasons.
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Old 01-30-2013, 01:58 AM   #48
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Mich State is not good to be compared too.
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Arkansas, IMO.

When they had elite talent, they were fantastic. When they had good coaching, they were very competive and great. When they had poor coaching, they struggled.

Arkansas has a far better history though. In the 60s, 70, and 80s they were a power. They've been to multiple Orange, Cotton, Sugar, and Fiesta Bowls. They've been to something like 40 bowl games and have won a National Championship.

I'd say we are probably closer to a school like Oklahoma State. Very little tradition at OSU, but in the last 4-5 years they've been very strong. They are competing instate with a program that does have a better football past than they do. Also, they rely a lot on out of state recruiting like us. Only difference is we don't have a Boone Pickens
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Default Re: Which football program mirrors ours?

There are some good answers in this thread, including the Okie State analysis. However, the problem with this thread, for me, is that most fans around the country won't be so analytical. The only thing they'll consider is results on the field. The perception out here in the Rocky Mountains is that USC is the Arkansas of the SEC East.

However, it is interesting to note the TAMU comparison this past season. We ended with identical records. We both lost to the same teams (FL/LSU) and we both handed the SECCG game opponents (AL/GA) their only regular season loss.
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The craziness in the Lawing thread made me think of reviving this old topic. Surely there will be some venom created by this thread, and perhaps some aimed at me for (gasp) asking such a question.

So, with or without your garnet goggles, tell us what football program closely mirrors our own, and why.

Some things you might consider:
  • Head Coach
  • Current State of Program
  • Championships
  • Recruiting Base
  • Home State
  • Media Perception
  • Perception to Recruits
  • Program Value
In my mind, ancient history holds little water in this debate unless one is referring to national titles. Duke, Army, and Navy all have rich history from way back. I'd rather see a current example of other programs on our level.

Have at it!
If you use a time frame of the past 10 years, my answer is Tennessee. Very few coaches are in Spurrier's class. But I think UT hired a good coach. They have had a tough 4-5 recent years. I don't think they've won a championship the past 10 years. Their recruiting base is the southeast. Their home state is about the same size as South Carolina. I think the past several years have diminished their perception. They are the flagship school of their state. They are in an urban setting. Their fans eat, drink and take in football air 365 days a year. Their academics and South Carolina's are comparable.
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Old 01-30-2013, 11:36 PM   #53
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I would say Oregon!!! A program on the rise, but just can't get over that last hurdle!!We both had 1 or 2 hiccups the last couple of seasons and it cost both of us in the end!! The only difference is they have the high power Offense who keeps them winning games and we have a very stingy deffense who keeps us in alot of games for us too win!!!
No... We don't have an Uncle Phil (Knight) like they do... He is the sole reason Oregon is doing so well.

If I had to pick my top 5 we are similar to(In each BCS conference)...

ACC: Virgina Tech
PAC-12: Arizona
Big 10: Michigan State
Big-12: West Virginia or Kansas State
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K-state

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Florida.

Before Spurrier, they were mediocre with no SEC titles.
I'd say Arky---Fla. We were Arky. on our way (very close) to S.O.S' Fla. and beyond !

Okla. st.? Mitch-again St.??? Texas tech....a little but to hell with "guns up..wreck 'em tech " and Lubbock ???
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I'd say Arky---Fla. We were Arky. on our way (very close) to S.O.S' Fla. and beyond !

Okla. st.? Mitch-again St.??? Texas tech....a little but to hell with "guns up..wreck 'em tech " and Lubbock ???
We were Arky? Now we're very close to being Florida? lol... dude, Arkansas was recently dominating us until last season... and we're nowhere near being a program like Florida at this point. Maybe in a decade if we win a few SEC's and a BCS title.
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Kansas State comes to mind for me. Historically mediocre and breaking out the past 2 seasons.
How do you account for their great teams in the 90s? My point is that this is not the first 2 years they have been good.
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Florida.

Before Spurrier, they were mediocre with no SEC titles.
I agree, Florida of the early to mid 80's. spurrier could turn out to be usc's Charlie Pell (hopefully minus the ensuing probation) or better. Similar records and rankings (top ten), won games against highly ranked opponents and eventual NC winner, but never got over the championship hump, some very high profile recruits who helped raise program to different level, similar improvements to facilities and finances, similar loyal fan bases. The differences probably lay in the home state and quantity of quality recruits in state.
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I agree, Florida of the early to mid 80's. spurrier could turn out to be usc's Charlie Pell (hopefully minus the ensuing probation) or better. Similar records and rankings (top ten), won games against highly ranked opponents and eventual NC winner, but never got over the championship hump, some very high profile recruits who helped raise program to different level, similar improvements to facilities and finances, similar loyal fan bases. The differences probably lay in the home state and quantity of quality recruits in state.
To hell with pell. He wasn't there long enough to factor into it. Their Spurrier is our Spurrier.
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To hell with pell. He wasn't there long enough to factor into it. Their Spurrier is our Spurrier.
Not yet, he would need to win a few SEC championships and a NC before he leaves first.

And the time Pell spent at Florida really isn't relevant, the impact he had is similar to what spurrier has had at USC so far.
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