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Old 02-03-2013, 09:11 PM   #1581
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I agree that there's not a big difference in say a 15th ranked class and a 20th. But you see Alabama, Florida, LSU, USC, Oklahoma, those teams consistently in the top 10 of the recruiting rankings and those are the teams playing for national titles.
All of those teams have won national titles, and have been relevant most years for quite awhile. However, they all face down years(some occurring their probation periods.) What you fail to mention is the top ten recruiting teams who fail.
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1. Boise State Broncos
Average program recruiting rank: 77th
Three-year record as less talented team: 14-2 (.875)
Boise State is the nation's best mid-major program, consistently ranking among the top 20 teams in the country without being able to recruit like a top-20 program.
2. Stanford Cardinal
Average program recruiting rank: 38th
Three-year record as less talented team: 19-4 (.826)

3. Northern Illinois Huskies
Average program recruiting rank: 102nd
Three-year record as less talented team: 20-7 (.741)
4. TCU Horned Frogs
Average program recruiting rank: 58th
Three-year record as less talented team: 11-5 (.688)
5. South Carolina Gamecocks
Average program recruiting rank: 16th
Three-year record as less talented team: 12-6 (.667)
The Gamecocks aren't an obvious candidate to be called an overachiever since Steve Spurrier has been consistently signing top-25 classes since 2009. But six other SEC teams rank ahead of South Carolina in our program recruiting ratings, and annual rival Clemson has a recruiting profile edge, as well. That adds up to 18 games played in the past three seasons in which the Gamecocks lined up against a more talented team, and they've been winning the majority of those showdowns.
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South Carolina has been recruiting in the top 25 since Spurrier arrived and like I said there's not much difference in a 15th ranked class and a 20th ranked class. Yes Clemson has had a higher ranked class what 7 of the past 9 years but its been a 10-15th ranked class vs a 15-20th ranked class for Scar.

The difference is these teams like Alabama who pull in top 10 classes year in and year out and build that depth to where 4 stars are backing up other 4 stars or 5 stars at just about every position, especially on the lines.
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Alabama? Back to back championships.
Florida? Two titles in three years.
LSU? Two national titles in five years.

Common denominator? All ranked in the top 5 of "recruiting services" every single year.

Say what you want about analysts, services, rankings etc....those three teams have MULTIPLE national titles and are always ranked as having a top class every year. You can brag about how coaches "coach up players" and get players that "fit the system" but the fact remains that we have yet to go to a BCS Bowl game.
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People love to downplay recruiting rankings but its not a coincidence that the teams you see in top 5 of the recruiting rankings year in and year out are the same ones competing for national titles.
like So Cal?
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Someone PLEASE put this troll in the smack talk forum and keep him there......he has NEVER contributed to any threads except to deride and put down our discussions about our college athletics. I have been clueless as to why he's been allowed to carry on as long as he has all these years, with the total lack of relevant contribution he has provided to this site.....
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I agree that there's not a big difference in say a 15th ranked class and a 20th. But you see Alabama, Florida, LSU, USC, Oklahoma, those teams consistently in the top 10 of the recruiting rankings and those are the teams playing for national titles.
And they have the coaches to develop the players. A 5* player without a coach to develop him is well, Dequan Bowers.
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And they have the coaches to develop the players. A 5* player without a coach to develop him is well, Dequan Bowers.
You mean the All-American that led the nation in sacks and won the award for best defensive player in the country his senior season? Yea we did a terrible job developing him.
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You mean the All-American that led the nation in sacks and won the award for best defensive player in the country his senior season? Yea we did a terrible job developing him.
HAHAHA so the five star golden boy had one good season in four years at clemson. Obviously a superstar.
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I agree that there's not a big difference in say a 15th ranked class and a 20th. But you see Alabama, Florida, LSU, USC, Oklahoma, those teams consistently in the top 10 of the recruiting rankings and those are the teams playing for national titles.
Exactly! You can say that about the 15-25 ranked classes but the top dog programs are in the top 5 or top 8 every year and those are the teams with the crystal balls
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It's all about player development. The teams that STAY at the top have the coaches that can develope talent the best. Over time, and winning, you're able to start bringing in better talent. If you can get better talent AND develope it even more ... you have studs.

Clemson, even with Bowden, has always had GREAT recruiting coaches, but they haven't had great position coaches that can build that talent up.
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The school doing the most with the least has been South Carolina. The Gamecocks have signed 13 ESPN 150 prospects since 2009, which is seventh in the league. But the Gamecocks have the third-best record over the last four years (38-15) behind only Alabama and LSU. They’re also one of two teams in the league (along with Alabama) to have won 11 or more games each of the last two seasons.

As the Head Ball Coach himself would say, somebody’s coaching ‘em up in Columbia.

One other interesting nugget is South Carolina is the only team to have played in the SEC championship game over the past four years that hasn't signed at least 20 ESPN 150 prospects during that span.
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Want to feel bad about recruiting?

Be a Georgia Tech fan.

They've had 5 (FIVE) recruits flip, the latest to UGA.

That, and the fact that they only have 15 recruits right now.
I don't think many kids want to play in their offense. Makes it much harder to get into the NFL.
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I don't think many kids want to play in their offense. Makes it much harder to get into the NFL.
Or play for Paul Johnson. Or go to a school with an 80/20 guy to girl ratio.
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