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[trapper82]

Originally Posted by SimpleGamecock

I have noticed a lot of people (myself included in other threads) mention that it is nice that we have 2 quality SEC quarterbacks going after the starting position. Spurrier himself has mentioned that both QBs will get meaningful snaps. My question is, would you mind seeing a whole season of QBs switching in and out of the game like the Outback Bowl? Or would you prefer to play one the whole game and have the other as back up? I am not trying to suggest that I do not trust the coaches I am just curious what everyone thinks and what their preference is.

Part of me would like to have the team we are playing against gameplan for both Connor and Dylan. Traditionally the 2 qb approach doesn't work because the guys don't stay in rhythm. If our guys can do that like they did in the Outback bowl, we could be a very dangerous team, ala the 06 Gators where you had Tim Tebow sharing time with Chris Leak. The skill sets are different there, but I'm saying they did a time share at QB.

[Lalli25]

Originally Posted by trapper82

Some of the throws you refer to are not necessarily Shaw's fault. Should Anderson have sat on the route, or gone up the field. Listening to John Gruden at the time, he said it could easily have been either one. You assume it was the QB who had the throw wrong, why? Furthermore, the throw to Byrd was not underthrown. By the time he began working to the post he had to find the ball and he made a play.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLP0GUmBUGg

:09 second mark - Shaw begins to bail out of the pocket to his left because of pressure from two defenders. While this is going on, he sees the route he wants is there. His is moving AWAY from his dominant hand by the way, but sets and makes the throw anyway. And he does this all in about 3 seconds, as the ball is snapped before the clock turns to 7 seconds.

:12 second mark - If we call this "making a play on the ball" from a defender, then I'm not exactly sure what we want to happen from a passing perspective. Byrd was EXACTLY on the numbers of the 20 yard line at the :11 second mark. He has to adjust to turn in for the post route, find the ball, and line himself up to catch it at almost the exact middle of the field at the :13 second mark. It was a throw that went from the 43 yard line of the other side of the field to the 3 yard line. Even though its not scored that way in the books, that is where the throw came from. That's 50 yards and 4 full seconds of hang time, with defenders in the pocket. Is it possible that you and others who have made this point out numerous times now are being a little overcritical?

For the life of me, I really can't figure out why we can't just leave it at "trust the coaches." We have numerous people saying this play was underthrown, the player made a play on it, etc. I look at it and say everyone did their job well enough to make a great play that resulted in a touchdown.

This is an attitude that causes teams to not get better and lose later in the season when they should win. Thank God Spurrier doesn't have that mindset.

To all your other BS. Anderson did go to sit down, but the pass was so freaking bad he couldn't get to it. Gruden tries never to be negative things, so he isn't going to straight up say Shaw made an awful pass. You also ignore the Roland wide open and he throws it so bad he catches it out of bounds. On Byrd's pass the defender is there to make it a difficult catch because Shaw under threw it. You can list times and random crap, but it is obvious that Byrd is slowing down to catch the ball, which makes the DB become a factor. Saying that Shaw doesn't perfectly throw deep routes does not mean Shaw is awful, it just is stating an opinion that many agree with.

Why is it that if you say Shaw is a better runner? That is ok. But to say he isn't as good a passer as Dylan that is like blaspheme. Sorry but your whole response didn't prove anything. If anything all it shows is that you can't handle people making any negative observation towards Shaw. If Shaw was clearly as good a passer as you all act like he is, than Dylan wouldn't even be talked about as having a chance to start, since Shaw is such a dynamic runner, 3 year contributor and 2 year starter. The honest answer is, if it wasn't for Shaw's leadership skills and running ability, Dylan would start. As a pure passer comparison, Dylan is the better QB.

This is what I hate about this conversation. If you point to any weakness of Shaw you get people who come back with the, "so you know more than Spurrier?" As if no one can discuss something, or as if our own coaches don't discuss this topic at all. If you know anything about coaching, they are talking about this at every position and how they can improve the team. Even with Clowney they talk about what makes them better, may be moving him inside and out, or left and right, or standing up. So why the hell do you think with these two QBs that you shouldn't question who should start and who is better at different aspects?

[qcgamecock]

This is what I hate about this conversation. If you point to any weakness of Shaw you get people who come back with the, "so you know more than Spurrier?" As if no one can discuss something, or as if our own coaches don't discuss this topic at all. If you know anything about coaching, they are talking about this at every position and how they can improve the team. Even with Clowney they talk about what makes them better, may be moving him inside and out, or left and right, or standing up. So why the hell do you think with these two QBs that you shouldn't question who should start and who is better at different aspects?[/quote]

Because you nor anyone else other than the HBC can make the decision, you nor anyone else on this forum has any bearing on who will start and dividing the fan base for two teammates when both will play, both have played and both have played well as well as bad! We do question and debate how to use a TE better or how to take advantage of the athleticism of players, Clowney being the obvious but that is a wee bit different than saying we should sit him for him...root for whom ever is on the field and discuss or debate the strengths and weaknesses of both but as the Coach has told all they will both play and we are blessed to have them both!

[cofcgamecock9]

Originally Posted by Lalli25

This is an attitude that causes teams to not get better and lose later in the season when they should win. Thank God Spurrier doesn't have that mindset.

To all your other BS. Anderson did go to sit down, but the pass was so freaking bad he couldn't get to it. Gruden tries never to be negative things, so he isn't going to straight up say Shaw made an awful pass. You also ignore the Roland wide open and he throws it so bad he catches it out of bounds. On Byrd's pass the defender is there to make it a difficult catch because Shaw under threw it. You can list times and random crap, but it is obvious that Byrd is slowing down to catch the ball, which makes the DB become a factor. Saying that Shaw doesn't perfectly throw deep routes does not mean Shaw is awful, it just is stating an opinion that many agree with.

Why is it that if you say Shaw is a better runner? That is ok. But to say he isn't as good a passer as Dylan that is like blaspheme. Sorry but your whole response didn't prove anything. If anything all it shows is that you can't handle people making any negative observation towards Shaw. If Shaw was clearly as good a passer as you all act like he is, than Dylan wouldn't even be talked about as having a chance to start, since Shaw is such a dynamic runner, 3 year contributor and 2 year starter. The honest answer is, if it wasn't for Shaw's leadership skills and running ability, Dylan would start. As a pure passer comparison, Dylan is the better QB.

This is what I hate about this conversation. If you point to any weakness of Shaw you get people who come back with the, "so you know more than Spurrier?" As if no one can discuss something, or as if our own coaches don't discuss this topic at all. If you know anything about coaching, they are talking about this at every position and how they can improve the team. Even with Clowney they talk about what makes them better, may be moving him inside and out, or left and right, or standing up. So why the hell do you think with these two QBs that you shouldn't question who should start and who is better at different aspects?

So let me ask you a question... Spurrier has said on many occasions that Connor Shaw is an EXCELLENT passer. Do you think Spurrier is lying or doesn't know what he is talking about because you obviously don't think that Shaw is an EXCELLENT passer?

My comment has nothing to do with any other players on our team so we don't need to bring them into the mix. That is what confuses me is why we always feel we need to talk about someone else or bring someone else down to say something positive about another. If Peyton Manning suddenly was traded to the Patriots, that would have no bearing on whether or not Tom Brady was an excellent passer. Tom Brady may not still be the starter (or he may), but his passing ability would still be the same.

So the question again... very direct question.... Spurrier has stated on many occasions that Connor Shaw is an EXCELLENT passer. Is Connor Shaw, in your opinion, and EXCELLENT passer or does Spurrier not know what he is talking about?

[klempsux]

Originally Posted by cofcgamecock9

So the question again... very direct question.... Spurrier has stated on many occasions that Connor Shaw is an EXCELLENT passer. Is Connor Shaw, in your opinion, and EXCELLENT passer or does Spurrier not know what he is talking about?

Maybe Spurrier doesn't want to publicly shame a QB that actually puts in the extra effort he demands. If Shaw had a lesser work ethic, we'd never hear the end of it from Spurrier. Look how he acts during the games, he goes crazy at some of the things that Shaw does. No point in dragging it out in public if the kid is already doing all he possibly can. It will not surprise me at all if Spurrier picks Thompson to start next year. Spurrier is able to call the game himself without needing input from GA and Elliot. That's why our offense looks like Florida's did when Thompson is in.

[trapper82]

Originally Posted by Lalli25

This is an attitude that causes teams to not get better and lose later in the season when they should win. Thank God Spurrier doesn't have that mindset.

Even though you don't care enough to do so for me, I am not going to bash another Gamecock fan just because you disagree with me. But don't twist what I say to mean something else. I have constantly said in this same thread that the coaches push our players to be better, partly through open competition in practices to win spots. I was simply pointing out that if you want to, you can look back at that single play (and any other single play) and try to pick everyone's task apart saying that they COULD have done something better. You can ALWAYS do something better. But it was a 50 yard pass with 2 defenders in the pocket, Shaw having to move to his left and he still completed a great pass. Yes, I think that was a GREAT play. I don't think that is play you look back on and say, "Yeah, but..." And you know what, you are free to disagree, I just don't know what kind of play you'd be happy with if that one bothers you.

To all your other BS. Anderson did go to sit down, but the pass was so freaking bad he couldn't get to it. Gruden tries never to be negative things, so he isn't going to straight up say Shaw made an awful pass. You also ignore the Roland wide open and he throws it so bad he catches it out of bounds. On Byrd's pass the defender is there to make it a difficult catch because Shaw under threw it. You can list times and random crap, but it is obvious that Byrd is slowing down to catch the ball, which makes the DB become a factor. Saying that Shaw doesn't perfectly throw deep routes does not mean Shaw is awful, it just is stating an opinion that many agree with.

BS? Interesting...my question is how do you know what the route should have been? Even Gruden said Anderson could have "Stayed on the move or sat down" in his commentary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiC0XYxP6F4

That play happens after the 1:41:00 mark. Tirico agreed, they miscommunicated. Why is that Shaw's fault, you don't know what Anderson was supposed to do there. Look at the play, the underneath catch is there, and its there for about 10 more yards back toward the line of scrimmage. There are, however, defenders past that. Maybe, just maybe, Anderson was supposed to stop and turn around for the ball earlier. You don't know, I don't know, but you are using it as evidence of Connor's Quarterback ability, so you are incorrect.

Why is it that if you say Shaw is a better runner? That is ok. But to say he isn't as good a passer as Dylan that is like blaspheme. Sorry but your whole response didn't prove anything. If anything all it shows is that you can't handle people making any negative observation towards Shaw. If Shaw was clearly as good a passer as you all act like he is, than Dylan wouldn't even be talked about as having a chance to start, since Shaw is such a dynamic runner, 3 year contributor and 2 year starter. The honest answer is, if it wasn't for Shaw's leadership skills and running ability, Dylan would start. As a pure passer comparison, Dylan is the better QB.

My response to you was pretty benign, I just pointed out that some of the passes you were referring to were not cut and dry to be Shaw's fault. I can handle people making negative comments about Shaw, I am not flying off the handle at you now, nor have I called what you said "BS." If you are going to criticize someone, at least be accurate in it. Some of the things you are saying about Shaw's passes are wrong in my opinion, I was just pointing that out. And like always...its my opinion, and we all know what those are like.

This is what I hate about this conversation. If you point to any weakness of Shaw you get people who come back with the, "so you know more than Spurrier?" As if no one can discuss something, or as if our own coaches don't discuss this topic at all. If you know anything about coaching, they are talking about this at every position and how they can improve the team. Even with Clowney they talk about what makes them better, may be moving him inside and out, or left and right, or standing up. So why the hell do you think with these two QBs that you shouldn't question who should start and who is better at different aspects?

You can say whatever you want, but to say that Thompson should be the starter is by default saying you know more than Spurrier and the coaching staff. Please tell me how it isn't? Does Spurrier pick the starter? You must either believe you know better than he does who should start, or you think that Spurrier doesn't care who is better, he plays who he wants.

And if you go back and look at what I said, I actually AGREE with you personally that Thompson is probably the better QB for what Spurrier has traditionally done on offense, but that is not my call to make. And if Spurrier starts Shaw, I believe its because Spurrier believes Shaw is the best QB to help us win.

[me4USC]

I thought this was a forum on which we could discuss anything associated with Gamecock football. I thought that was the whole purpose of having Cocky Talk. Silly me. Let's close the forum down since we are never supposed to state opinions which might differ from those the coaches, players, other posters, or anyone else on the planet.

For the record, I doubt Spurrier publicly says everything he thinks. He and I may be in perfect harmony, or he might possibly think I'm an idiot. So what?

[trapper82]

Originally Posted by me4USC

I thought this was a forum on which we could discuss anything associated with Gamecock football. I thought that was the whole purpose of having Cocky Talk. Silly me. Let's close the forum down since we are never supposed to state opinions which might differ from those the coaches, players, other posters, or anyone else on the planet.

For the record, I doubt Spurrier publicly says everything he thinks. He and I may be in perfect harmony, or he might possibly think I'm an idiot. So what?

No one has attempted to silence anyone on this thread, so I'm not sure where you see "we are never supposed to state opinions which might differ from those the coaches, players, other posters or anyone else on the planet." If you give your opinion and someone else gives you reasons they disagree, you shouldn't get upset about it.

[me4USC]

Originally Posted by trapper82

No one has attempted to silence anyone on this thread, so I'm not sure where you see "we are never supposed to state opinions which might differ from those the coaches, players, other posters or anyone else on the planet." If you give your opinion and someone else gives you reasons they disagree, you shouldn't get upset about it.

I don't get upset about it. What I'm talking about is the people who say threads like this drive them nuts, because we are never supposed to second-guess the coaches.

We are just talking. I'm well-aware that our opinions do not really affect the coaches' decisions.

[trapper82]

Originally Posted by me4USC

I don't get upset about it. What I'm talking about is the people who say threads like this drive them nuts, because we are never supposed to second-guess the coaches.

We are just talking. I'm well-aware that our opinions do not really affect the coaches' decisions.

You did not get upset, some others seemed to.

I managed to stay off a few threads that trended this way recently. It personally confuses me why some people can't stop short at what I would call needlessly nitpicking the career statistics and play of a guy who has done nothing but give his all for our team. Thompson himself said that Connor Shaw makes him a better QB, and vice versa. They push each other to be better, and its a known fact on this team right now if you want to see the field you better bust your hump in the weight room and the practice field. I just don't see why we have to go the extra step of pointing out anything we consider to be a less than perfect play by Shaw as "proof" that our opinion is best. That's another point, its not even "bad" plays anymore, its 55 yard TD receptions.

[cofcgamecock9]

Originally Posted by klempsux

Maybe Spurrier doesn't want to publicly shame a QB that actually puts in the extra effort he demands. If Shaw had a lesser work ethic, we'd never hear the end of it from Spurrier. Look how he acts during the games, he goes crazy at some of the things that Shaw does. No point in dragging it out in public if the kid is already doing all he possibly can. It will not surprise me at all if Spurrier picks Thompson to start next year. Spurrier is able to call the game himself without needing input from GA and Elliot. That's why our offense looks like Florida's did when Thompson is in.

This makes me laugh...You have to be kidding me. This is not how Steve Spurrier has EVER handled QBs.

So you are saying that Spurrier, in his ENTIRE career, has been criticized for doing nothing but being overly hard on QBs and now, all of a sudden, he is being nice about Connor because he doesn't want to hurt his feelings?? Yeah..... and I have some ice in Alaska to sell you too.

So for all of the other QBs dating back to Florida, I am supposed to believe it when Spurrier says he is an excellent passer or whatever he says, but for Connor Shaw it is "different?" Yeah, rriigghhhtttt!!

And then you bring up the fact that Spurrier is animated on the sidelines when Connor Shaw is in the game to be a sign of the fact that Spurrier doesn't really think Shaw is a good passer. I guess you haven't watched the old Florida tapes when Danny or Rex were QBs? No, Spurrier didn't look animated on the sidelines at all. People just made up that he threw his visor and pulled it down over his eyes fifty times a game. Funny, I don't remember Connor Shaw playing for those teams.

So now let me get this point straight just to make sure I understand. My opinion is that Steve Spurrier, our head coach, says that Connor Shaw is an EXCELLENT passer. My opinion is that Steve Spurrier has never shown in the past this propensity to lie that you speak about. Therefore, I trust Steve Spurrier. But just to make sure I understand, you are saying that I shouldn't trust Steve Spurrier and that I should assume that Connor Shaw is not an excellent passer because that is what you think??

Oh, and just one small other point... In addition to Steve Spurrier's comments, Connor Shaw also finished in the Top 10 in the country in passer rating..

But I shouldn't believe Spurrier or where he finished in the stats and instead should believe that you are the expert on if someone is an excellent passer or not? I will think about it.

[cofcgamecock9]

Originally Posted by trapper82

You did not get upset, some others seemed to.

I managed to stay off a few threads that trended this way recently. It personally confuses me why some people can't stop short at what I would call needlessly nitpicking the career statistics and play of a guy who has done nothing but give his all for our team. Thompson himself said that Connor Shaw makes him a better QB, and vice versa. They push each other to be better, and its a known fact on this team right now if you want to see the field you better bust your hump in the weight room and the practice field. I just don't see why we have to go the extra step of pointing out anything we consider to be a less than perfect play by Shaw as "proof" that our opinion is best. That's another point, its not even "bad" plays anymore, its 55 yard TD receptions.

THIS, THIS, THIS!!!!!! Thank you, thank you,thank you!!!!

[me4USC]

Originally Posted by trapper82

You did not get upset, some others seemed to.

I managed to stay off a few threads that trended this way recently. It personally confuses me why some people can't stop short at what I would call needlessly nitpicking the career statistics and play of a guy who has done nothing but give his all for our team. Thompson himself said that Connor Shaw makes him a better QB, and vice versa. They push each other to be better, and its a known fact on this team right now if you want to see the field you better bust your hump in the weight room and the practice field. I just don't see why we have to go the extra step of pointing out anything we consider to be a less than perfect play by Shaw as "proof" that our opinion is best. That's another point, its not even "bad" plays anymore, its 55 yard TD receptions.

I don't criticize Connor's plays. I have used stats to prove a point from time to time, but I have never said his passes weren't good or that he isn't a good quarterback. Connor and Dylan work well together; they are teammates.

However, I feel the same way about Thompson that you do about Shaw. If anyone praises Thompson the tiniest bit, it's taken as a slight of Shaw. Another poster compared it to blasphemy, and he was right. It's as if I shot Bambi. It would be nice to have a civil discussion of the merits of both quarterbacks without being yelled at in bold.

[cofcgamecock9]

Originally Posted by me4USC

I don't criticize Connor's plays. I have used stats to prove a point from time to time, but I have never said his passes weren't good or that he isn't a good quarterback. Connor and Dylan work well together; they are teammates.

However, I feel the same way about Thompson that you do about Shaw. If anyone praises Thompson the tiniest bit, it's taken as a slight of Shaw. Another poster compared it to blasphemy, and he was right. It's as if I shot Bambi. It would be nice to have a civil discussion of the merits of both quarterbacks without being yelled at in bold.

You would have to show me where this is done because I certainly haven't seen it. I haven't seen anyone respond to a praise of Dylan by saying that you, or anyone else, is trying to put down Shaw..... not unless, you or anyone else actually does put down Shaw.

But you would have to show me a post where someone said "Dylan is an excellent QB and passer" and someone responded by saying "Why are you putting down Shaw like that?"

Because I read this board daily and I have never seen it.

What I have seen is people responding when posters, like you at times, have said things DIRECTLY about Shaw that are purposefully negative.

Yes, I know it has been a while now and I do give you credit because you seem to choose your words carefully now, but you DIRECTLY talked about how Shaw shouldn't even get credit for some of his wins. Your exact comment was that you "laugh" when you see Connor's record used as evidence that he should be the starter. Was Dylan even mentioned in what I just said in this paragraph? Nope.

I really am interested in seeing these posts where anyone is saying anything negative about Dylan at all. I can't find them.

Take this thread for example. The very first post had graphs that mention BOTH QBs. And as this thread has progressed, SOME people have criticized Shaw's play by saying he can't throw the deep ball or that he woefully misses receivers, etc. Now you say that is ok and that is your opinion. But you also always seem to hide behind this defense that people do the same thing regarding Dylan. Please show me one instance in this thread where anyone has criticized Dylan Thompson's play in any way.

[cofcgamecock9]

me4usc,

Have a question for you. I thought about doing this, but decided it would get derailed very quickly.

But if I started a brand new thread that said "Dylan Thompson and Connor Shaw - Discuss" and I said ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ELSE. That was all it said.

Which QB do you think would be criticized more?? And I am SPECIFICALLY not considering talking positive about one guy as being a criticism of the other (what you always bring up). So if you say "Dylan is best QB ever" that is not a criticism of Shaw or vice versa.

But DEFINITE criticisms that are negative about the play, character, or whatever. For example, "this guy can't ................." You fill in the blank.

You tell me how you think that would turn out.

[Lalli25]

Originally Posted by cofcgamecock9

So let me ask you a question... Spurrier has said on many occasions that Connor Shaw is an EXCELLENT passer. Do you think Spurrier is lying or doesn't know what he is talking about because you obviously don't think that Shaw is an EXCELLENT passer?

My comment has nothing to do with any other players on our team so we don't need to bring them into the mix. That is what confuses me is why we always feel we need to talk about someone else or bring someone else down to say something positive about another. If Peyton Manning suddenly was traded to the Patriots, that would have no bearing on whether or not Tom Brady was an excellent passer. Tom Brady may not still be the starter (or he may), but his passing ability would still be the same.

So the question again... very direct question.... Spurrier has stated on many occasions that Connor Shaw is an EXCELLENT passer. Is Connor Shaw, in your opinion, and EXCELLENT passer or does Spurrier not know what he is talking about?

Spurrier likes shaw a lot, unlike QBs like Garcia, so he isn't going to crush him. Also he isn't going to try and fuel the back up support by saying shaw is clearly not as good passer at Dylan. He wants to support both guys and won't call out people who don't act in a manner to deserve it. Lastly, Shaw isn't an awful passer but he isn't an elite passer. He is ok and that is why spurrier would say he is a capable passer.

BS? Interesting...my question is how do you know what the route should have been? Even Gruden said Anderson could have "Stayed on the move or sat down" in his commentary.

All the routes I'm referring to are obvious routes. Guys running straight down the field or wheel routes which when he throws the ball might as well be go routes and shaw throws the ball poorly and it goes out of bounds.

If we are not allowed to discuss missed passes than I guess we can never discuss any mistake, since you don't always know why the call was on any given play. Guess we might as well add a new rule to cockytalk that there's no discussing players and mistakes. For now on just have uniform, highlight video and schedule threads.

[Dizzy01]

Originally Posted by me4USC

I thought this was a forum on which we could discuss anything associated with Gamecock football. I thought that was the whole purpose of having Cocky Talk. Silly me. Let's close the forum down since we are never supposed to state opinions which might differ from those the coaches, players, other posters, or anyone else on the planet.

For the record, I doubt Spurrier publicly says everything he thinks. He and I may be in perfect harmony, or he might possibly think I'm an idiot. So what?

I don't think people have a problem with others expressing their opinions. The problem is that too many people think their opinions are actually facts and present them and argue them as such. It's when people don't understand the difference between an opinion and making a statement of fact that it gets troublesome.

[gripitandripit2007]

Originally Posted by Lalli25

I think passing percentage is misleading stat. That is what the whole thread OP was stating. That you can have a high percentage if you just check down all the time and only try to go over the top 2-3 times a game. If you actually watch his pass and the accuracy of where it hits the WR on long throws it is not as good as Thompson, in my opinion.

I see what you are saying but I don't see Connor as throwing "check down all the time and only try to go over the top 2-3 times a game." I have numerous games recorded where when Connor has time and when the WRs have a step or two on the DBs he has placed it exactly where it needed to be. In my opinion Dylan throws the deep ball good too but Connor has proven to be more accurate against better defenses. Stats tell the story most of the time better than the eye test does bc so many fans have different biased views which influence their eye test. The best QBs in the world have the highest QB ratings & comp %. Peyton Manning and Tom Brady throw a lot more "check down" passes than the do deep balls and they are among the top statistically best QBs in the league every year

[gripitandripit2007]

Originally Posted by cofcgamecock9

So let me ask you a question... Spurrier has said on many occasions that Connor Shaw is an EXCELLENT passer. Do you think Spurrier is lying or doesn't know what he is talking about because you obviously don't think that Shaw is an EXCELLENT passer?

My comment has nothing to do with any other players on our team so we don't need to bring them into the mix. That is what confuses me is why we always feel we need to talk about someone else or bring someone else down to say something positive about another. If Peyton Manning suddenly was traded to the Patriots, that would have no bearing on whether or not Tom Brady was an excellent passer. Tom Brady may not still be the starter (or he may), but his passing ability would still be the same.

So the question again... very direct question.... Spurrier has stated on many occasions that Connor Shaw is an EXCELLENT passer. Is Connor Shaw, in your opinion, and EXCELLENT passer or does Spurrier not know what he is talking about?

Exactly!
And even without SOS saying a word...his actions show who is better. He is gonna play the best QB who gives us a chance to win...and he has started Connor all year when he was able to play...even when he wasnt 100%. Everyone can have their opinions...they are entitled to them...but my opinions are based off of facts(stats) and whoever our coaches thinks the starter should be bc they know more about each player than all of us put together. If SOS decides to start Dylan next year bc he gives us the better chance to win...then I am all for Dylan and will support him just like Connor

[Don Giovanni]

Originally Posted by gripitandripit2007

Exactly!
And even without SOS saying a word...his actions show who is better. He is gonna play the best QB who gives us a chance to win...and he has started Connor all year when he was able to play...even when he wasnt 100%. Everyone can have their opinions...they are entitled to them...but my opinions are based off of facts(stats) and whoever our coaches thinks the starter should be bc they know more about each player than all of us put together. If SOS decides to start Dylan next year bc he gives us the better chance to win...then I am all for Dylan and will support him just like Connor

You should already be supporting every member of the team equally. Anyway, I do find it interesting that you are mentioning Spurrier's words and actions as a way to say that Shaw is better than Thompson. If we are to go ONLY by what Spurrier says, then what should we infer from the comment he made a while back on some show (maybe Dan Patrick?) about Thompson having NFL potential, but no mention of Shaw? Also, I believe it was after the bowl game when Spurrier talked about how well Thompson played, and when asked about Shaw, the response was something to the effect of, "Yeah, Connor did alright too." And please remember what I have stated in the 100 other threads that either started or ended up as QB debate threads that I don't have a preference, because I just want whoever is in the game to play well and help lead the team to victory.