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[me4USC]

Originally Posted by qcgamecock

Silly you, we are discussing, debating, arguing, stating opinions....I think we all know Spurrier speaks his mind as well as says things for a reason!

I think Spurrier always knows exactly what he's saying, but I don't think he's always saying everything he's thinking.

Look at the very end of the Outback Bowl. Everyone is celebrating and jumping up and down after the final touchdown except Spurrier. He isn't even smiling. I thought that was interesting, and I've been wondering what he was thinking. Do I know? Nope.

Are you in Afghanistan?

[qcgamecock]

Originally Posted by me4USC

I think Spurrier always knows exactly what he's saying, but I don't think he's always saying everything he's thinking.

Look at the very end of the Outback Bowl. Everyone is celebrating and jumping up and down after the final touchdown except Spurrier. He isn't even smiling. I thought that was interesting, and I've been wondering what he was thinking. Do I know? Nope.

Are you in Afghanistan?

No, I'm actually in Charlotte at the present. I do not think he says everything he thinks but if you ask him a question he is going to give you a straight answer or what he thinks though he may choose to do it in a political or self preserving manner. He will not say he thinks a kid is good if he is not, he would tell you he works hard or if you ask him if he played well he may not tell you he did not play well or did play well but tell you if he would learn to go out of bounds or throw it away or he threw out around well tonight and made some plays with his feet but......from my experience that is the way he is, if he says he thinks a guy could be a player of the year candidate he is not blowing smoke in my opinion.

[gripitandripit2007]

Originally Posted by Don Giovanni

You should already be supporting every member of the team equally. Anyway, I do find it interesting that you are mentioning Spurrier's words and actions as a way to say that Shaw is better than Thompson. If we are to go ONLY by what Spurrier says, then what should we infer from the comment he made a while back on some show (maybe Dan Patrick?) about Thompson having NFL potential, but no mention of Shaw? Also, I believe it was after the bowl game when Spurrier talked about how well Thompson played, and when asked about Shaw, the response was something to the effect of, "Yeah, Connor did alright too." And please remember what I have stated in the 100 other threads that either started or ended up as QB debate threads that I don't have a preference, because I just want whoever is in the game to play well and help lead the team to victory.

I support all of our players...never said I didn't...but IMO Connor has proven to be the better QB but if Dylan proves to be better then I will support him "as being the better QB." Sorry u took that the wrong way. And once again...actions speak louder than words...he starts who he thinks the best players is. As far as what he says...just bc he talks highly about a QB doesn't mean he thinks that player is better. I talk highly of Dylan a lot without mentioning Connor...but I still think Connor is better bc he has proven more against better D's...obviously SOS thinks the same with starting him when he was able to play

[me4USC]

Originally Posted by gripitandripit2007

I support all of our players...never said I didn't...but IMO Connor has proven to be the better QB but if Dylan proves to be better then I will support him "as being the better QB." Sorry u took that the wrong way. And once again...actions speak louder than words...he starts who he thinks the best players is. As far as what he says...just bc he talks highly about a QB doesn't mean he thinks that player is better. I talk highly of Dylan a lot without mentioning Connor...but I still think Connor is better bc he has proven more against better D's...obviously SOS thinks the same with starting him when he was able to play

In SOS's interview after the Clemson game, he said that Connor could have played, but he chose to play Dylan.

http://www.gamecocksonline.com/allac...sport=m-footbl

Look at 7:04.

[gripitandripit2007]

Originally Posted by me4USC

In SOS's interview after the Clemson game, he said that Connor could have played, but he chose to play Dylan.

http://www.gamecocksonline.com/allac...sport=m-footbl

Look at 7:04.

Yeah...I remember him saying that...but everyone knows Connor was not 100%...no where near it. And even after the game he had against Clemson...something is to be said that Connor still started the next game against Michigan

[cofcgamecock9]

Originally Posted by me4USC

In SOS's interview after the Clemson game, he said that Connor could have played, but he chose to play Dylan.

http://www.gamecocksonline.com/allac...sport=m-footbl

Look at 7:04.

Ok, so lets look at what you are saying here... Lets break it down. You are saying that Dylan didn't start the Clemson game because of the injury to Connor, but instead because Spurrier wanted to start Dylan. I know this to be true because your post above is in response to someone saying that Spurrier starts Connor when healthy. You directly responded to that post with your comments above and make the statement "Connor could have played, but he (Spurrier) chose to play Dylan. This infers that, in your mind, Spurrier CHOSE Dylan to start over Connor and it wasn't because of Connor's injury (since that was the point being made by the other poster)

So lets go with that. Let's assume that Spurrier did chose Dylan to start over Connor and it wasn't based on Connor's health.

So then you need to explain to me what did Dylan do in the Clemson game poorly that caused him to lose the starting job in the bowl game?? What did Dylan do in the Clemson game that caused Spurrier to go back and say just before the bowl game that "I told Connor that Dylan is going to play some, but THIS IS YOUR GAME." That is exactly what Spurrier said and Connor played 80% of the snaps.

So then help me understand why Dylan lost the starting job after the Clemson game if you are saying that he didn't get the start at Clemson because of Connor's injury.

Everyone on this board knows that the ONLY reason Dylan started against Clemson is because Connor was injured. You are the only person that seems to think otherwise. It amazes me. Now, to be fair, Dylan played great against Clemson and improved his status tremendously. But remember, we are talking about before that happened. I honestly bet you are the only person on this entire board that thinks that Spurrier "chose" Dylan for some reason OTHER than Connor's injury.

And like I said, if you (or others) think that Dylan started the Clemson game because he just squarely beat out Connor for the starting job, then you are certainly going to have to explain to me how in the hell then did he lose the starting job for the bowl game.

[me4USC]

Originally Posted by cofcgamecock9

Ok, so lets look at what you are saying here... Lets break it down. You are saying that Dylan didn't start the Clemson game because of the injury to Connor, but instead because Spurrier wanted to start Dylan. I know this to be true because your post above is in response to someone saying that Spurrier starts Connor when healthy. You directly responded to that post with your comments above and make the statement "Connor could have played, but he (Spurrier) chose to play Dylan. This infers that, in your mind, Spurrier CHOSE Dylan to start over Connor and it wasn't because of Connor's injury (since that was the point being made by the other poster)

So lets go with that. Let's assume that Spurrier did chose Dylan to start over Connor and it wasn't based on Connor's health.

So then you need to explain to me what did Dylan do in the Clemson game poorly that caused him to lose the starting job in the bowl game?? What did Dylan do in the Clemson game that caused Spurrier to go back and say just before the bowl game that "I told Connor that Dylan is going to play some, but THIS IS YOUR GAME." That is exactly what Spurrier said and Connor played 80% of the snaps.

So then help me understand why Dylan lost the starting job after the Clemson game if you are saying that he didn't get the start at Clemson because of Connor's injury.

Everyone on this board knows that the ONLY reason Dylan started against Clemson is because Connor was injured. You are the only person that seems to think otherwise. It amazes me. Now, to be fair, Dylan played great against Clemson and improved his status tremendously. But remember, we are talking about before that happened. I honestly bet you are the only person on this entire board that thinks that Spurrier "chose" Dylan for some reason OTHER than Connor's injury.

And like I said, if you (or others) think that Dylan started the Clemson game because he just squarely beat out Connor for the starting job, then you are certainly going to have to explain to me how in the hell then did he lose the starting job for the bowl game.

No, I did not say that. I repeated what Spurrier said. You have embroidered upon it as usual. You put words in my mouth that I didn't say, just as you always do. That's why I don't like talking to you.

I said that Spurrier said Connor could have played, and he did say that. I didn't say anything about starting or not starting Connor. Spurrier said that Dylan was starting because Connor needed to stay off his injury, but he could have played if they had needed him. Dylan never took the starting position from Connor. He played as a backup.

Please stop assuming that you know what I mean and instead focus on what I am actually saying.

[MWard]

I think we are in one of the best QB situations, coming into next year, in the entire nation. How many other teams have 2 QB's going into next season that have each beaten ranked teams?

They bring some different skill sets, but both can be mobile and both can hit the deep ball. If the OLine improves as much as I'm hoping, next year will be really exciting to watch when we have the ball.

[me4USC]

Originally Posted by gripitandripit2007

Yeah...I remember him saying that...but everyone knows Connor was not 100%...no where near it. And even after the game he had against Clemson...something is to be said that Connor still started the next game against Michigan

True. That didn't surprise me. Spurrier finished the season with Connor as was his due. Connor earned it.

However, Spurrier has said that the job is now up for grabs. The spring and summer should be interesting.

[gripitandripit2007]

Originally Posted by MWard

I think we are in one of the best QB situations, coming into next year, in the entire nation. How many other teams have 2 QB's going into next season that have each beaten ranked teams?

They bring some different skill sets, but both can be mobile and both can hit the deep ball. If the OLine improves as much as I'm hoping, next year will be really exciting to watch when we have the ball.

^^^THIS^^^

[qcgamecock]

Originally Posted by me4USC

In SOS's interview after the Clemson game, he said that Connor could have played, but he chose to play Dylan.

http://www.gamecocksonline.com/allac...sport=m-footbl

Look at 7:04.

So why did Dylan not start the bowl game? Conner could have played hurt.....I said "I gotta cold..." someone could quote that and say I was sick but the rest of the sentence was "Beer"!

[qcgamecock]

Originally Posted by me4USC

No, I did not say that. I repeated what Spurrier said. You have embroidered upon it as usual. You put words in my mouth that I didn't say, just as you always do. That's why I don't like talking to you.

I said that Spurrier said Connor could have played, and he did say that. I didn't say anything about starting or not starting Connor. Spurrier said that Dylan was starting because Connor needed to stay off his injury, but he could have played if they had needed him. Dylan never took the starting position from Connor. He played as a backup.

Please stop assuming that you know what I mean and instead focus on what I am actually saying.

No one put words in your mouth, you answered a post that said Spurrier starts who he thinks the best player is... with he could have played Conner but chose to play Dylan with a link to the press conference video and the time it was said

[gripitandripit2007]

Originally Posted by me4USC

True. That didn't surprise me. Spurrier finished the season with Connor as was his due. Connor earned it.

However, Spurrier has said that the job is now up for grabs. The spring and summer should be interesting.

Yes it should...I agree! Can't wait to get it started again! Countin down the days to Spurts scrimmage & practice updates!

[yazoo]

Originally Posted by me4USC

I thought this was a forum on which we could discuss anything associated with Gamecock football. I thought that was the whole purpose of having Cocky Talk. Silly me. Let's close the forum down since we are never supposed to state opinions which might differ from those the coaches, players, other posters, or anyone else on the planet.

For the record, I doubt Spurrier publicly says everything he thinks. He and I may be in perfect harmony, or he might possibly think I'm an idiot. So what?

So, are you saying that it is inappropriate to point out that your opinion of the quality of Shaw's passing conflicts with the opinion of the Head Ball Coach.

If so, are you being a bit hypocritical trying to shut down other people from stating their opinions?

[me4USC]

Originally Posted by yazoo

So, are you saying that it is inappropriate to point out that your opinion of the quality of Shaw's passing conflicts with the opinion of the Head Ball Coach.

If so, are you being a bit hypocritical trying to shut down other people from stating their opinions?

No, I'm not saying that. I was being facetious. I think that we should all be allowed to voice our opinions without being attacked for them.

I'm not trying to shut anyone down. I'm all about freedom of speech. However, I don't like being personally attacked for stating by own opinions.

State away. Opine away. You'll have no problem with me.

[me4USC]

Originally Posted by qcgamecock

So why did Dylan not start the bowl game? Conner could have played hurt.....I said "I gotta cold..." someone could quote that and say I was sick but the rest of the sentence was "Beer"!

I already answered that two posts above yours. I said that Connor had earned the right to finish the season as the starter. I wouldn't have wanted to see him lose the start in the bowl game. That would have been humiliating and unnecessary. Spurrier used Dylan when he had to - in order to win. Unless you really think we would have won had Connor not come out. He was injured, after all.

I expect that Spurrier will use both quarterbacks in the 2013 season. I also expect that both of them will start in different games. Spurrier is smart enough not to declare a starter.

Michigan used both of their quarterbacks nearly all the time, and I don't recall the announcer naming either of them as the starter. It was just accepted that both of them were good, and both were playing.

[GamecockSuperFan]

All this aside. We've gone 22-4 the last 2 seasons. (And in reality should've been playing for the SEC CG both seasons, but that's another topic) A lot of our success can be attributed to what I think has been maybe the greatest defense we've had in some time from top to bottom. As much as the offense is maybe not exactly what we all want it to be, I must say it has been a lot easier to watch and TRUST. At least you don't hold your breath that a turnover will occur or a busted play/sack. A mobile is a must. When a QB can turn a busted play into a huge play instead of a loss, that's a big advantage offensively. Shaw was extremely effective on 3rd downs, getting out of the pocket and picking up first downs. That has to demoralize a defense.

Combine mobility with some who can stand back there and read a defense and throw from the pocket (ala Kaepernick) you've got a good thing going. As much success teams have had using the pistol the last 5 years or so, I'm surprised we haven't implemented more of that into what we do. Especially because we have a number of capable backs and tight ends, and kind of undersized it seems at the WR position. (We do flex TE's out at WR a good bit though to help with that)

An interesting stat I saw was the 49ers actually had more rushing yards per game when Alex Smith was starting, the balance that Kaepernick brought actually elevated their passing game tremendously.

[GamecockSuperFan]

Originally Posted by me4USC

I expect that Spurrier will use both quarterbacks in the 2013 season. I also expect that both of them will start in different games. Spurrier is smart enough not to declare a starter.

Michigan used both of their quarterbacks nearly all the time, and I don't recall the announcer naming either of them as the starter. It was just accepted that both of them were good, and both were playing.

Exactly. Spurrier has won SEC titles using 2 QB's. It's actually an advantage not a disadvantage in my opinion. Both QB's bring something good to the table and it forces the defense to prepare for both. Also it would be stupid not to have the next guy ready and prepared to play barring an injury or just a bad day offensively. Needless to say, I'm excited about the QB situation going into the season.