SC QB - Best one two punch in the nation, ESPN

[JAYBEZ]

I think some of you are looking at this the wrong way. "1-2 punch" implies both are seeing a lot of use, not just a starter and a back-up.

Is it good to have a decent backup, of course, but that is not the insinuation.

[BuCockyfan]

Originally Posted by FloydTheBarber

Did you really just refer to him as "guy" in the second person?

DOUCHEBAG ALERT!

As sure as the sun rises, the small minded have to resort to childish attacks when presented with a fact...

[FanofCarolina1]

Originally Posted by me4USC

I certainly wasn't trying to mislead anyone. Of course I didn't mean the entire article was about them, but I thought it was interesting.

What would you have entitled the thread to make it less misleading?

I would just have put what was quoted in the article. That's all.

If it says "in the nation" in the article, my apologies. Good thread, thank you for sharing.

[cockycock10]

Originally Posted by surfinchicken1974

"Nobody in the SEC has a better one-two punch at quarterback than the Gamecocks with Shaw and Thompson."

I agree, ...too bad they have nobody to throw too

Bruce Ellington is no one to throw to? Buster Anderson is no one to throw to? Damiere Byrd is no one to throw to?

Sigh...

[me4USC]

Originally Posted by Mt. Lattimore

We've also seen him screw-the-pooch at Vandy.

That was more than 7 months, 10 TDs, and 1027 yards ago. I think it might be time to let it go.

I forgot my piece in my first college piano recital, but nobody holds that against me now I hope.

[me4USC]

Originally Posted by FanofCarolina1

I would just have put what was quoted in the article. That's all.

If it says "in the nation" in the article, my apologies. Good thread, thank you for sharing.

I said it was a national article because it was on ESPN. Wouldn't that make it national even if the article was talking about the SEC?

[Cock Kool-Aid]

Originally Posted by hubbarjm

Fact of the matter is that there is NO program in the country that has a back up QB that could start his 2nd game against an in state hated rival and dominate

lol there's no way you can know this.

[Cock Kool-Aid]

Originally Posted by qcgamecock

Calling him Joe Montana and unproven are far from the same thing, they are not even close! I guess you could say you think he is unproven against good defenses except the Michigan defense was ranked 1st in the country against the pass, he played against the #3 defense in the country in florida....It is an asinine statement to say Thompson is an unproven QB ask your head coach, the media, other teams coaches.....it is asinine!

I don't care what Michigan's defense was ranked. They were missing their #1 and #2 CB's and their SS was banged up. It was pretty obvious if you watched the Outback Bowl that their secondary was simply not up to the task of covering our guys. Yes, he played against the #3 defense in Florida- and he did next to nothing. I see no way that you can argue that Thompson is proven VS upper echelon pass defenses. All I'm saying is that ever since he beat Clemson and then threw that awesome game-winning TD vs Michigan, most of our fans are talking about him with the type of confidence that I would reserve for a 3rd year starter who has consistently dominated. He has done great with the chances he has been given and the last step is to put together a good season in '13 by consistently making these types of plays versus SEC teams week in and week out. Personally, I think he has what it takes to keep making these plays and I look forward to watching it happen.

[me4USC]

Originally Posted by Cock Kool-Aid

I don't care what Michigan's defense was ranked. They were missing their #1 and #2 CB's and their SS was banged up. It was pretty obvious if you watched the Outback Bowl that their secondary was simply not up to the task of covering our guys. Yes, he played against the #3 defense in Florida- and he did next to nothing. I see no way that you can argue that Thompson is proven VS upper echelon pass defenses. All I'm saying is that ever since he beat Clemson and then threw that awesome game-winning TD vs Michigan, most of our fans are talking about him with the type of confidence that I would reserve for a 3rd year starter who has consistently dominated. He has done great with the chances he has been given and the last step is to put together a good season in '13 by consistently making these types of plays versus SEC teams week in and week out. Personally, I think he has what it takes to keep making these plays and I look forward to watching it happen.

I think his final two games led to people having confidence in him, though I don't see the fan bases on the boards really supporting him in large numbers. As far as the Outback bowl goes, to say that their secondary was not up to the task of covering our guys sort of overlooks the fact that we were losing in the final 26 seconds of the game when Thompson was put in. Michigan was obviously doing enough to beat us. Had Thompson flubbed his final pass, people would be saying that it was Vandy all over again. Since he would have been blamed had we lost, I think he deserves a little credit for the final TD.

[hubbarjm]

Originally Posted by Cock Kool-Aid

I don't care what Michigan's defense was ranked. They were missing their #1 and #2 CB's and their SS was banged up. It was pretty obvious if you watched the Outback Bowl that their secondary was simply not up to the task of covering our guys. Yes, he played against the #3 defense in Florida- and he did next to nothing. I see no way that you can argue that Thompson is proven VS upper echelon pass defenses. All I'm saying is that ever since he beat Clemson and then threw that awesome game-winning TD vs Michigan, most of our fans are talking about him with the type of confidence that I would reserve for a 3rd year starter who has consistently dominated. He has done great with the chances he has been given and the last step is to put together a good season in '13 by consistently making these types of plays versus SEC teams week in and week out. Personally, I think he has what it takes to keep making these plays and I look forward to watching it happen.

There may be no way I can truly KNOW that no other program has a backup QB that could defeat it's in state and nationally respected rival, during his second start, but history would suggest that this is a generally true statement. I guess for lack of a better comparison its like Sex Panther "60% of the time it works all the time."

Seriously though name one program with that kinda depth at that position. Most programs falter tremendously when they lose a #1 QB let alone defeat their rival (at their place) or have one that can fill in against other solid competition while the guy who likes to run too much is injured (several games including but not limited to the Outback bowl).

So with that said, I think yes I DO know we have the best one two punch of QB's in the nation and the fact that we can't disprove it makes my argument even stronger.

I never called this man Joe Montana but he is leaps and bounds better than most of the starters in the SEC. Let see who would you field ahead of him? McCarron, Manzeil (thats where my list would end), Murray(lol he's a stud I saw it front row at the Billy Brice last fall), maybe Tyler Bray?(hes only a more sophmoric version of Stephen Garcia.

So with that being said I think the article was spot on.

[b381l]

With Shaw having the experience, he deserves to start.....and you don't lose your starting spot due to injury unless your name is Alex Smith. But DT has done well too with his opportunities so he deserves to play a good bit this year also.....and as some have already mentioned, he is an excellent change of pace QB that makes defenses play us differently.

[Order 66]

Originally Posted by BuCockyfan

Thompson is still an unproven commodity to me....you can't cut your teeth on Clemson and mop up time and expect the next year to be slinging it against Florida and Georgia.

Can't throw on your gators.

[sodacitynate]

Originally Posted by JAYBEZ

Is the best 1-2 combo really something to boast about?

Yes, it is good to have a solid backup, but no team really wants a rotation at the QB position.

Didn't Spurrier win a couple SEC championships like that at UF?

[qcgamecock]

Originally Posted by Cock Kool-Aid

I don't care what Michigan's defense was ranked. They were missing their #1 and #2 CB's and their SS was banged up. It was pretty obvious if you watched the Outback Bowl that their secondary was simply not up to the task of covering our guys. Yes, he played against the #3 defense in Florida- and he did next to nothing. I see no way that you can argue that Thompson is proven VS upper echelon pass defenses. All I'm saying is that ever since he beat Clemson and then threw that awesome game-winning TD vs Michigan, most of our fans are talking about him with the type of confidence that I would reserve for a 3rd year starter who has consistently dominated. He has done great with the chances he has been given and the last step is to put together a good season in '13 by consistently making these types of plays versus SEC teams week in and week out. Personally, I think he has what it takes to keep making these plays and I look forward to watching it happen.

That is fair but it does make him proven, an unproven QB was Beecher or ....pick a name, that had looked good in practice, had a few moments in games but had proven nothing. If you walk into your opponents house and win with the performance that Thompson has you are proven, I will end it with this, no one will have a more proven back up in the SEC or country in my opinion.

[qcgamecock]

Originally Posted by Cock Kool-Aid

I don't care what Michigan's defense was ranked. They were missing their #1 and #2 CB's and their SS was banged up. It was pretty obvious if you watched the Outback Bowl that their secondary was simply not up to the task of covering our guys. Yes, he played against the #3 defense in Florida- and he did next to nothing. I see no way that you can argue that Thompson is proven VS upper echelon pass defenses. All I'm saying is that ever since he beat Clemson and then threw that awesome game-winning TD vs Michigan, most of our fans are talking about him with the type of confidence that I would reserve for a 3rd year starter who has consistently dominated. He has done great with the chances he has been given and the last step is to put together a good season in '13 by consistently making these types of plays versus SEC teams week in and week out. Personally, I think he has what it takes to keep making these plays and I look forward to watching it happen.

One last thing, did Thompson have any drops in that florida game?

[me4USC]

Originally Posted by qcgamecock

One last thing, did Thompson have any drops in that florida game?

I don't think so.

http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?id=322940057

Against Florida, Thompson was our passing leader with 83 yards. Davis and Miles were our rushing leaders (combined 35 yards). We had scored two field goals in the first half when Thompson went in. Shaw had 72 yards.

Florida had 183 yards of total offense but scored 44 points. They were the first FBS team this century to score 40 points while having fewer than 200 yards. In that game, Gators quarterback Jeff Driskel became the first FBS player since 2000 to throw at least four TD passes in a game with less than 100 passing yards.

We had 191 yards, but scored no touchdowns.

South Carolina fumbled four times (Shaw, Sanders, Byrd) and lost three, two of which led directly to Florida touchdowns. (I couldn't find the fourth fumble.) Had it not been for two personal fouls on Florida on one drive, and another senseless penalty on another drive, the score would’ve been 21-0. As it was, Florida led 21-6 at the end of the first half because of three turnovers - three short fields given up to the Gators.

"The Gators put the game away by scoring on all three possessions in the third quarter, getting a 6-yard TD run by Omarius Hines, a field goal and a 6-yard pass from Driskel to Frankie Hammond Jr.


"They made South Carolina's defensive front, which dominated in the first half, look suspect. They also better controlled standout end pass-rusher Jadeveon Clowney, who gave them fits early. And they kept South Carolina off balance with creative play-calling that included tight end Trey Burton in the Wildcat."


In other words, our defense was worn out after the first half. I'm a little confused as to why people want to blame that on Thompson. By the way, I got all this information on the internet, and I'm not blaming anyone for anything. I'm just cutting and pasting what I've researched.

[treys1986]

Originally Posted by Cock Kool-Aid

No. It's really not assinine. He hasn't shown enough for people to assume that he is Joe Montana like so many on here have. He put up 27 against a terrible Clemson defense and performed well in spot duty against a Michigan secondary that was extremely depleted. He has performed well, but he still has not done anything against a GOOD defense. There are still question marks surrounding this guy. I like what I have seen thus far though and I hope that he continues to show out when he is called on in conference games.

I get what you are saying, but I want to ask one question. When has Shaw played as well on the road against a poor defense as Thompson did that night?

[cofcgamecock9]

Originally Posted by treys1986

I get what you are saying, but I want to ask one question. When has Shaw played as well on the road against a poor defense as Thompson did that night?

I think this is where we are all continually getting in trouble. The poster you are quoting didn't even mention Shaw's name. So what does Shaw have to do with whether or not he feels comfortable with Dylan at this point? If Shaw came out this year and completely forgot how to throw the ball because of some sort of head injury and Dylan was automatically named the starter, it still wouldn't change that the poster you were responding to would still have the same thoughts about Dylan's lack of experience. But then you, for some reason, had to bring Shaw into the conversation.

That is the part I don't get.

You don't have to compare Dylan to Shaw to say that "Dylan still hasn't proven himself." People might very well also say "Connor Shaw hasn't proven himself in away games." But that would have nothing to do with Dylan Thompson.

Dylan Thompson has only started a handful of games. How many has it been? Two starts? And then playing time in some other games in which he did really well in one (Michigan) and not so well in the other (Florida). That is not a ton of experience. So I think it would be a fair statement for any fan to say "I am still in a wait and see mode with Dylan because I just haven't seen enough out of him in different situations." I don't see how anyone can say that isn't at least a fair opinion for someone to have.

I am SURE that after Andrew Luck's second start of his career, there were plenty of people saying "well, he really looks good, but I don't want to say he is a great quarterback just yet."

It is not a knock against Dylan that some people just haven't seen enough of him yet to feel like they know how he is going to respond in different situations.

[LegalCock]

Spurrier says he's a potential first rounder in his eyes and has compared the situation to the year he had Palmer and Grossman.

[CWall2001]

There is a whole camp that still thinks Dylan is unproven. I kind of don't get that. I used to think the same after UAB, but here's the deal. He comes in, usually makes a bonehead play or two and then wins. The kid seems to have grown A LOT as a QB this season. And those bonehead decisions or plays he seems to make before settling down could probably be eliminated with more practice reps as we saw against Clemson (yes I know Clemson's D is bad, but that's a huge game on the road too). I for one am thrilled to have them both.