NCAA: Hit Defenseless Player Above Shoulders, Ejection.

[gamecockphan]

Do you havea link for this? I'm interested in reading more.

[hubbarjm]

The wussification of America is in full effect. I agree with 15 yard penalty but, ejections are game changers.

[uscsig]

Originally Posted by StretfordEnd

Treating an ejection in football like a red card in soccer. Interesting.

I agree.

[ReadR00ster]

Originally Posted by 2000grad

Why?

What do you mean why? Because it would ruin the dang game. A team with 10 players can't beat a team with 11 players. Football is an 11 on 11 game.

[StretfordEnd]

Originally Posted by ReadR00ster

What do you mean why? Because it would ruin the dang game. A team with 10 players can't beat a team with 11 players. Football is an 11 on 11 game.

They manage to do it in soccer. Why couldn't they in football? Obviously, they would have a hard time doing it, but I think it would be interesting to see this rule implemented, though I would not be for it.


Edit: Soccer is an 11 v. 11 game, too. That doesn't stop teams with ten players from beating teams with eleven players. If you follow soccer, a good example of this would be Barcelona v. Chelsea (Champions League, 2nd Leg) from 2012. Chelsea went down 2-0 at the Nou Camp, had John Terry sent off, and managed to salvage a 2-2 draw, allowing them to advance 3-2 on aggregate to the Champions League Final. Chelsea didn't win the match, but they scored two goals with ten men playing against eleven. That is impressive.

[uscsig]

Originally Posted by ReadR00ster

What do you mean why? Because it would ruin the dang game. A team with 10 players can't beat a team with 11 players. Football is an 11 on 11 game.

The game is being ruined by people that don't know how to tackle. A kill shot is worthless if the player never walks again.

[KaneisAble]

Originally Posted by StretfordEnd

They manage to do it in soccer. Why couldn't they in football? Obviously, they would have a hard time doing it, but I think it would be interesting to see this rule implemented, though I would not be for it.

2 entirely different types of gameplay. Soccer is slow and methodical and spaced out over the entire field w/ one player serving any number of utilities. There isn't a central line of action once the ball is in play so the loss of the player would be too big of a disadvantage for the penalized team.

Interesting? Sure. But not really feasible. What if it's the quarterback? Or the center? Are they allowed to sub in a new QB? Does someone else then become QB on the field and removed from their position?

[StretfordEnd]

Originally Posted by KaneisAble

2 entirely different types of gameplay. Soccer is slow and methodical and spaced out over the entire field w/ one player serving any number of utilities. There isn't a central line of action once the ball is in play so the loss of the player would be too big of a disadvantage for the penalized team.

It doesn't change the point that you are losing a man. If you move your players around and if your players are in good enough shape, you can overcome the loss. Yes, the loss would be a disadvantage, but again, it's not impossible to overcome.

Interesting? Sure. But not really feasible.

That's a matter of opinion.

What if it's the quarterback? Or the center? Are they allowed to sub in a new QB? Does someone else then become QB on the field and removed from their position?

Example: Let's say my goal keeper gets sent off for a straight red. Obviously, I am now down to ten men. I would have to sub a man from another position for a goal keeper. Essentially, it would be like having a player from a different position sent off. So, yes, you could sub in a QB or C.

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[KaneisAble]

Originally Posted by ReadR00ster

The helmet flew like ten yards, use some common sense. That helmet can not do that just by hitting the player. You can't literally knock someone out of their socks. It's been disproven by mythbusters.

What? He didn't "knock him out of his socks". He knocked his helmet off. It's one of the most replayed (and accessible) moments of the past decade from multiple angles. The blow itself caused Smith to snap forward and his helmet hit Clowney's helmet as a result. The force of the hit was calculated by someone on SBNATION calculated as the equivalent of having a 16 lb bowling ball thrown at you around 300 mph. While that may be extreme, it's probably (fairly) close to being accurate.

[2000grad]

Originally Posted by ReadR00ster

What do you mean why? Because it would ruin the dang game. A team with 10 players can't beat a team with 11 players. Football is an 11 on 11 game.

Well, that is so strange that you asked what I meant and then explained what it meant.

A team with 10 players CAN'T beat a team with 11? How do you know that?

I've seen a team with 11 that can't beat another team with 11. What's your point? It would make the ejections have more teeth.

What it could mean is that you could put a scrub out there, let him head hunt their best player, ring his bell, get ejected, and then put in your stud DB

[2000grad]

Originally Posted by KaneisAble

What? He didn't "knock him out of his socks". He knocked his helmet off. It's one of the most replayed (and accessible) moments of the past decade from multiple angles. The blow itself caused Smith to snap forward and his helmet hit Clowney's helmet as a result. The force of the hit was calculated by someone on SBNATION calculated as the equivalent of having a 16 lb bowling ball thrown at you around 300 mph. While that may be extreme, it's probably (fairly) close to being accurate.

I tried to explain that already

[2000grad]

Originally Posted by KaneisAble

2 entirely different types of gameplay. Soccer is slow and methodical and spaced out over the entire field w/ one player serving any number of utilities. There isn't a central line of action once the ball is in play so the loss of the player would be too big of a disadvantage for the penalized team.

Interesting? Sure. But not really feasible. What if it's the quarterback? Or the center? Are they allowed to sub in a new QB? Does someone else then become QB on the field and removed from their position?

What you do is move another player to that position. Many scenarios can happen

[KaneisAble]

Originally Posted by StretfordEnd

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But the lack of central line of action is the fundamental difference. You can say it would be a straight import of soccer rules, and that's fine to propose, but you're not simply "moving men around the field" in football. It's not spread out the way that soccer is. Every single play involves everyone lining up at one spot. It would be too much of a disadvantage to overcome.

I also, apologies, don't want to see anything resembling the "card" system in football. I think it's ridiculous and leads to flopping, etc. I know we have sideline warnings, unsportsman-like conducts, etc. But it's a different sport.

[KaneisAble]

Originally Posted by 2000grad

Well, that is so strange that you asked what I meant and then explained what it meant.

A team with 10 players CAN'T beat a team with 11? How do you know that?

I've seen a team with 11 that can't beat another team with 11. What's your point? It would make the ejections have more teeth.

What it could mean is that you could put a scrub out there, let him head hunt their best player, ring his bell, get ejected, and then put in your stud DB

Or put him out there to target the knee of say, a Heisman-level running back. (Which admittedly happens frequently anyway.) Or have said scrub get torched and put your team in a hole early. Also: players change plays every down; soccer has a much more regimented substitution schedule, does it not?

[StretfordEnd]

Originally Posted by KaneisAble

But the lack of central line of action is the fundamental difference. You can say it would be a straight import of soccer rules, and that's fine to propose, but you're not simply "moving men around the field" in football. It's not spread out the way that soccer is. Every single play involves everyone lining up at one spot. It would be too much of a disadvantage to overcome.

With respect to you, I disagree.

I also, apologies, don't want to see anything resembling the "card" system in football. I think it's ridiculous and leads to flopping, etc. I know we have sideline warnings, unsportsman-like conducts, etc. But it's a different sport.

I partially agree. You are absolutely correct about diving. It plagues soccer and gives the sport a bad reputation. However, when diving takes place and is identified, it is punished with a yellow. I'm not advocating bringing the card system to football; I'm simply saying that there are safe guards against it.

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[KaneisAble]

Originally Posted by StretfordEnd

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You disagree that there's a central line of action or that it would be too much of a disadvantage for a team to overcome?

[2000grad]

Originally Posted by KaneisAble

Or put him out there to target the knee of say, a Heisman-level running back. (Which admittedly happens frequently anyway.) Or have said scrub get torched and put your team in a hole early. Also: players change plays every down; soccer has a much more regimented substitution schedule, does it not?

Depends on the level

[2000grad]

Originally Posted by KaneisAble

Or put him out there to target the knee of say, a Heisman-level running back. (Which admittedly happens frequently anyway.) Or have said scrub get torched and put your team in a hole early.

It is all possible

[StretfordEnd]

Originally Posted by KaneisAble

You disagree that there's a central line of action or that it would be too much of a disadvantage for a team to overcome?

The latter. The former is irrelevant if you properly arrange your players.

[hubbarjm]

Don't Bring any rules from soccer into my game. This is such a stupid idea 10 on 11? There is a reason why this sport in general is the most popular in the nation and that is because it is pretty much the exact opposite of soccer.

That's all we need is a bunch of pansies flopping,rolling on the ground, looking as if they were shot on the football field acting like they got hit in the helmet only to arise unhurt after the penalty.