Culliver Getting Money from UNC?

[The Yancey]

After sampling a comment or two on every page in this thread all I see is a bunch of people pissing and moaning. Is there any substance here other than conjecture and innuendo?

[Flameout12]

Originally Posted by The Yancey

Is there any substance here other than conjecture and innuendo?

Would seem not.

[JaxcockFL]

And a link to WRAL in the first link of the freakin thread. You know, the one that says that Terry Watson sent cash to players at UNC and nationwide between Jan 09 and Jun 10, and that a text message was sent to Cully saying to give him the account number so that he could 'get u tomorrow.'


other than that, not much.

Now, Terry Watson is listed as Cully's agent, so the timing of all of this would be critical, IMHO.

[JaxcockFL]

http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/03/...r-peek-at.html

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot...-investigation

http://espn.go.com/college-football/...h-warrant-says

Other links with Cully's name involving this.

[qcgamecock]

Originally Posted by Travelin

Paying the players money legally would be a start along with stricter anti-agent laws. Much like what SOS has proposed in the past, but more than $300 a game if you are a starter or put up a lot of stats. The NCAA and University's have exploited our student athletes long enough. Guys like Lattimore, Clowney, Shaw and Ace should be making real money based on their performances in TV games, especially those on national television. It's a no brainer. Give them the opportunity to make big bucks in college on the gridiron and a lot of this agent shit will get curbed. Until then, more of these stories will surface and more innocent people, players and institutions will get hurt.

With the kind of money the networks are paying for these games, it's completely asinine that the players don't get a fair cut. A scholly just doesn't cut it when there's that much money being made off their ability to play the sport that's making it worth watching in the first place.

Adding money to the equation would just muddy the waters more in my opinion, this is why major professional sports have drafts and caps to protect overzealous owners from driving the price high on unproven talent ie. a bidding war.
If you put caps in place on what they can make then the same people breaking the rules now will break the cap, bidding war in my opinion and the added ability to pay and get away with it makes it easier for them to hide it or get caught.
Let the kids good enough to play in the NFL, NBA when they choose or input the MLB rule and you can go pro out of high school or go to school for 3 years before being able to enter the draft again. It would do the NFL and NBA some good to have a minor league system and they can pay the kids who just want to play athletics and not get an education at that point in there lives.
Collegiate athletics is supposed to be about preparing a kid for a career, it would be wrong to pay any of them if you don't pay them all, who decides who gets paid and how much, all of this opens up the game for more corruption in my mind. Keep college athletics pure, it is one reason I love college baseball so much, 90% of those kids just play the game for the love of the game and nothing more!

[brat]

What a bunch of donkey phizoo about players being exploited.

First off, they don't have to go to college, if they do not want to. Of course, some will say, well, that's the only chance they have to go to the NFL. That is not the fault of the colleges.

Exploited? These kids do get a free education and all the tutorial help most any serious student could ever need. It is up to them to take advantage of it if they are not good enough to go pro, as few do and even so, for a short time. They get training facilities, medical treatment, dental, food and nutrition, coaching, room, etc., that would bankrupt almost anyone else their age if they had to pay for those things. They also get to travel free over much of the US, get face time and free publicity on local and/or national levels, and often meet people of importance in various walks of life that they possibly use to help them land a job that most others could not quickly or easily obtain. Pell grants are also available to them.

All this for waiting three years out of HS before they go pro (if good enough). What a hardship. Worst case scenario, they don't make the pros, but they got the only avenue open to them. The NFL will not build their own farm system because they don't need to as that is what they use the college game for as a substitute.

Here's an idea. After the college football season is over let the kids get jobs and work if they want more money. No Spring Ball, only Fall Practices before the new season starts. Nah. The coaches won't go for it. Neither will the fans. They want the kids to practice and train year round because they want the level of football they see to be top rate.

You can't have it both ways. Either give them time off to work or practice, train, and practice some more. Exploited? What a laugh. The kids know the deal. If they think they can play pro, there is only one avenue open to them. Take it or leave it. The school and coaches can only do so much. The rest is up to you. For all the school offers, it is you that owes them, not the other way around. They provide you a way to get noticed to where you might get one of the rarest jobs in the world that is all but impossible without playing college sports. The money the school makes keeps the programs afloat. They are expensive and the lifeline of college athletics. Cut into it just a little and you'll see many college teams sink (maybe not football, but others), for not all schools are fortunate enough to be rich like the SEC.

[SteelCock]

Originally Posted by Evilchicken2

Are they also discussing how to kill people with jetskis and beating pregnant girlfriends with towel rods? Just curious.

C'mon, man. We all know it was that angry misogynistic towel rod that beat that girl.

[I Bleed Garnet]

I agree with you Brat btw on the PFP aspect.

[SteelCock]

Originally Posted by Evilchicken2

I think his underlying point is that Culliver is not a very smart guy by virtue of his words and actions.

But he didn't underline his underlying point which can be confusing, you know?

[SteelCock]

This is obviously a conspiracy by the ghey rights movement seeking revenge against Culliver because he was mean.

[qcgamecock]

Originally Posted by brat

What a bunch of donkey phizoo about players being exploited.

First off, they don't have to go to college, if they do not want to. Of course, some will say, well, that's the only chance they have to go to the NFL. That is not the fault of the colleges.

Exploited? These kids do get a free education and all the tutorial help most any serious student could ever need. It is up to them to take advantage of it if they are not good enough to go pro, as few do and even so, for a short time. They get training facilities, medical treatment, dental, food and nutrition, coaching, room, etc., that would bankrupt almost anyone else their age if they had to pay for those things. They also get to travel free over much of the US, get face time and free publicity on local and/or national levels, and often meet people of importance in various walks of life that they possibly use to help them land a job that most others could not quickly or easily obtain. Pell grants are also available to them.

All this for waiting three years out of HS before they go pro (if good enough). What a hardship. Worst case scenario, they don't make the pros, but they got the only avenue open to them. The NFL will not build their own farm system because they don't need to as that is what they use the college game for as a substitute.

Here's an idea. After the college football season is over let the kids get jobs and work if they want more money. No Spring Ball, only Fall Practices before the new season starts. Nah. The coaches won't go for it. Neither will the fans. They want the kids to practice and train year round because they want the level of football they see to be top rate.

You can't have it both ways. Either give them time off to work or practice, train, and practice some more. Exploited? What a laugh. The kids know the deal. If they think they can play pro, there is only one avenue open to them. Take it or leave it. The school and coaches can only do so much. The rest is up to you. For all the school offers, it is you that owes them, not the other way around. They provide you a way to get noticed to where you might get one of the rarest jobs in the world that is all but impossible without playing college sports. The money the school makes keeps the programs afloat. They are expensive and the lifeline of college athletics. Cut into it just a little and you'll see many college teams sink (maybe not football, but others), for not all schools are fortunate enough to be rich like the SEC.

The NFL will not build their own farm system because they don't need to as that is what they use the college game for as a substitute.

I have a problem with that, you do not think that is exploiting?

Agree, but if you would like to play pro ball and are a freak athlete... Clowney is the obvious choice, if he wishes to continue playing the game he loves he has to go to college, he has a few other options that would all cost him millions, the guys in the minor leagues get all of the above plus a paycheck.
I agree with 99% of your post though!

[brat]

Kids like Clowney come around once every 25 years or so, if not longer. Football is not like basketball. Basketball is not as physical, in terms of contact, there is not as much to learn from running plays, and it is easier to rely on pure individual talent instead of a greater team concept of action on every play. Even so, not many kids are good enough to go to the NBA and if kids stayed in college longer, more of them would be far better by going to that league letter.

Clowney would have been a disaster if he went to the NFL from HS. There is physical maturity and mental maturity. Most kids need time to grow in both areas. Just as college helped the rest of us grow in education, it gave us time to mature, socially, as well.

If the NFL threw away money to build their own farm system, many kids would go there instead of college, which would be their right, but they would mostly get paid peanuts and get ground up and discarded with few still making the big show, and when they leave, little schooling to fall back on that they might get if they go to college and nature enough to understand the importance of it for the rest of their lives. Additionally, kids who are in HS, who have talent (or just think they have talent) while dreaming of minor league ball, would not only miss out on the chance of college academics, would most likely not give a crap about HS academics, either. The NFL could care less. They would not have to worry about grades, because they are not the NCAA, they are employers. Talk about exploitation? Take this route and instead of having an impact on many kids via the college experience, much fewer kids (especially if the do not make the NFL) would have nothing to fall back on and be just another "what ever happened to" story.

I also would think there would be much crowd or atmosphere for games as compared to that found in most college games, another small thing the kids would lose out on. I imagine it would be similar to minor league baseball. If I am wrong and minor league pro ball became successful, then the college game would be hurt twice. Lesser talent available and hurt in the pocketbook by attendance and TV ratings and TV contracts. Even more football just saturates the market. Someone loses, somewhere.

No system is perfect, but I think it fair to say far more good comes out of the way it is done now instead of the NFL grabbing kids out of HS to help fill out their own minor league system. Even the NFL knows HS kids are not ready to play pro ball.

[qcgamecock]

Originally Posted by brat

Kids like Clowney come around once every 25 years or so, if not longer. Football is not like basketball. Basketball is not as physical, in terms of contact, there is not as much to learn from running plays, and it is easier to rely on pure individual talent instead of a greater team concept of action on every play. Even so, not many kids are good enough to go to the NBA and if kids stayed in college longer, more of them would be far better by going to that league letter.

Clowney would have been a disaster if he went to the NFL from HS. There is physical maturity and mental maturity. Most kids need time to grow in both areas. Just as college helped the rest of us grow in education, it gave us time to mature, socially, as well.

If the NFL threw away money to build their own farm system, many kids would go there instead of college, which would be their right, but they would mostly get paid peanuts and get ground up and discarded with few still making the big show, and when they leave, little schooling to fall back on that they might get if they go to college and nature enough to understand the importance of it for the rest of their lives. Additionally, kids who are in HS, who have talent (or just think they have talent) while dreaming of minor league ball, would not only miss out on the chance of college academics, would most likely not give a crap about HS academics, either. The NFL could care less. They would not have to worry about grades, because they are not the NCAA, they are employers. Talk about exploitation? Take this route and instead of having an impact on many kids via the college experience, much fewer kids (especially if the do not make the NFL) would have nothing to fall back on and be just another "what ever happened to" story.

I also would think there would be much crowd or atmosphere for games as compared to that found in most college games, another small thing the kids would lose out on. I imagine it would be similar to minor league baseball. If I am wrong and minor league pro ball became successful, then the college game would be hurt twice. Lesser talent available and hurt in the pocketbook by attendance and TV ratings and TV contracts. Even more football just saturates the market. Someone loses, somewhere.

No system is perfect, but I think it fair to say far more good comes out of the way it is done now instead of the NFL grabbing kids out of HS to help fill out their own minor league system. Even the NFL knows HS kids are not ready to play pro ball.

Kids do not go straight from HS to MLB, they go to the minors, that system has worked for a long time. So why are we not worried about the education for those kids or them killing college baseball?

So we are not really worried about the kids either, same as the NCAA, we are worried about the product. So bunk the rights of the kid that comes along who does not want to go to college but must and then gets in trouble as a GAMECOCK so we can bash him for being such a thug and selfish? Sorry, I understand you are worried about the kids and just pointed out how someone has to lose but it should not be the rights of the athlete.

Every 25 years huh, I think that Adrian Peterson could have played in the NFL his senior year of high school, Carlos Dunlap could have played in the NFL as a senior in high school....but we do not know so you can say that. They use to say that a kid out of high school could never succeed in the NBA it is a mans game, Garnett, Bryant, James.....it is an assumption to "protect the kids"! I'm curious if you think any I named above would make an NFL roster out of high school?
I think if you took the best of the best every year and all they did was live football they would actually be better football players.

Food for thought, if they had a summer minor league football, you could come out of high school play a summer, make an NFL roster knowing the offense and be ready to play. I mean most high school teams play more games than college anyways.
It is funny they are talking about paying college kids, so when do they start paying high school kids, I mean Texas, California, Florida high school football is big money? I got a scholarship to go to a private school to play sports in high school.....

[brat]

All this is pointless. The NFL will not start farm systems with college ball around.

As for everything else, we obviously agree on virtually nothing. Anything can be improved, but I do not anticipate any appreciable changes forthcoming that would alter the landscape of the relationship between the college/NFL or the athletes coming out of HS.

[qcgamecock]

Originally Posted by brat

All this is pointless. The NFL will not start farm systems with college ball around.

As for everything else, we obviously agree on virtually nothing. Anything can be improved, but I do not anticipate any appreciable changes forthcoming that would alter the landscape of the relationship between the college/NFL or the athletes coming out of HS.

So your point was pointless? The NFL owners know that another owner will have no problem drafting a kid right out of high school if enough "experts" say he is ready or will be the best "input position" in 2 years and the piece you need to win the Super Bowl, it is that simple!
Just because it will not be changed in the near future does not make it right!

[Flameout12]

Originally Posted by qcgamecock

Carlos Dunlap could have played in the NFL as a senior in high school...

And got totally abused....

[Travelin]

Originally Posted by brat

What a bunch of donkey phizoo about players being exploited.

First off, they don't have to go to college, if they do not want to. Of course, some will say, well, that's the only chance they have to go to the NFL. That is not the fault of the colleges.

Exploited? These kids do get a free education and all the tutorial help most any serious student could ever need. It is up to them to take advantage of it if they are not good enough to go pro, as few do and even so, for a short time. They get training facilities, medical treatment, dental, food and nutrition, coaching, room, etc., that would bankrupt almost anyone else their age if they had to pay for those things. They also get to travel free over much of the US, get face time and free publicity on local and/or national levels, and often meet people of importance in various walks of life that they possibly use to help them land a job that most others could not quickly or easily obtain. Pell grants are also available to them.

All this for waiting three years out of HS before they go pro (if good enough). What a hardship. Worst case scenario, they don't make the pros, but they got the only avenue open to them. The NFL will not build their own farm system because they don't need to as that is what they use the college game for as a substitute.

Here's an idea. After the college football season is over let the kids get jobs and work if they want more money. No Spring Ball, only Fall Practices before the new season starts. Nah. The coaches won't go for it. Neither will the fans. They want the kids to practice and train year round because they want the level of football they see to be top rate.

You can't have it both ways. Either give them time off to work or practice, train, and practice some more. Exploited? What a laugh. The kids know the deal. If they think they can play pro, there is only one avenue open to them. Take it or leave it. The school and coaches can only do so much. The rest is up to you. For all the school offers, it is you that owes them, not the other way around. They provide you a way to get noticed to where you might get one of the rarest jobs in the world that is all but impossible without playing college sports. The money the school makes keeps the programs afloat. They are expensive and the lifeline of college athletics. Cut into it just a little and you'll see many college teams sink (maybe not football, but others), for not all schools are fortunate enough to be rich like the SEC.

You have got to be kidding me about not being exploited. You are only looking at what the athletes get from the University. Throw in what the University and the league gets from the networks. That's where the problem lies. The difference is huge. Pell grants? lmao!

[2000grad]

Thee money that the athletic programs make go right back into the athletic programs. Darla Moore does more for the university than any player

[Travelin]

Originally Posted by qcgamecock

Adding money to the equation would just muddy the waters more in my opinion, this is why major professional sports have drafts and caps to protect overzealous owners from driving the price high on unproven talent ie. a bidding war.
If you put caps in place on what they can make then the same people breaking the rules now will break the cap, bidding war in my opinion and the added ability to pay and get away with it makes it easier for them to hide it or get caught.
Let the kids good enough to play in the NFL, NBA when they choose or input the MLB rule and you can go pro out of high school or go to school for 3 years before being able to enter the draft again. It would do the NFL and NBA some good to have a minor league system and they can pay the kids who just want to play athletics and not get an education at that point in there lives.
Collegiate athletics is supposed to be about preparing a kid for a career, it would be wrong to pay any of them if you don't pay them all, who decides who gets paid and how much, all of this opens up the game for more corruption in my mind. Keep college athletics pure, it is one reason I love college baseball so much, 90% of those kids just play the game for the love of the game and nothing more!

Since when was college athletics pure? 1949? The current system is so flawed, if you don't cheat, you can't compete. The solution is not an easy one, but money talks, bs walks. And the players know this all to well. There is nothing pure about college football and basketball, let alone any of the other sports.

Have you thought for one minute what it would do for the level of play in college football if the players were eligible for the NFL out of HS? It wouldn't be nearly as exciting as it is now.

[qcgamecock]

Originally Posted by Flameout12

And got totally abused....

I think he would have held his own and played a little special teams but he would have been a beast on the DL in year 3 after being with an NFL team for 2 off seasons.