Dylan Thompson 2012-13 Highlights

[me4USC]

Originally Posted by cofcgamecock9

What I find funny is how some of you seem to have this idea that Coach Spurrier doesn't see the same plays that you see. You don't think he knows which one has the better arm strength? You don't think he knows which one is the better runner? You see each QB maybe throw 100 to 300 passes a year at most. Steve Spurrier has probably watched each of our QBs throw thousands and thousands of passes.

Spurrier will win the SEC at SC as long as his health holds up. Mark it down. And when he does win the SEC, he will EASILY go down in history as one of the top 3 to 5 coaches in College Football History. Easily!

So it is just so humorous to me when I see posts that say "well if so and so would have started, we would have won that game."

As if somehow, Steve Spurrier is blind to the things that you see. Even though he has literally seen them throw thousands more passes than you.

That, too me, is absolutely hilarious.

Coach Spurrier recently said that Thompson must be one of those guys who plays better than he practices. Even after seeing Thompson throw "thousands and thousands of passes" in practice, he re-evaluated his opinion of Thompson's abilities after having to play him due to Connor's injury. "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of a little mind," said Emerson. The ability to change one's ideas and opinions when presented with empirical evidence which contradicts them is a sign of intelligence.

However, I am always glad to give anyone a laugh - even it it's at me. I laugh at myself, too.

[gripitandripit2007]

Originally Posted by CarolinaSpur12

I'm very undecided. I understand the whole theory of Dylan being a better passer than Shaw. But it's not like Dylan threw those yards against decent defenses. And in the Clempsin game, he should have had 2 interceptions that were dropped. I know that he didn't but still.

Shaw does take off early, a lot. His happy feet get the best of him sometimes. I honestly think if Shaw would have played against Climpsin, he would have prob had 250+ passing and 100+ rushing. Think to games like the UGAy, Mizzu, Tenn, and Arkansas. Connor played like a champion.

But who knows, I think both can be winners.

Exactly this!
Both of them are good QBs...just in my opinion Connor is the better of the two because he has proven more against better D's. Dylan did great against Michigan...so that showed me more that he can...but Connor has still done more throwing against good D's. And by the way...those 2 "should have been pics" could have easily been 6 against a mediocre defense

[5zoneread21]

Read a lot of ya'lls comments in this thread and the one question that keeps popping up in my mind is "who gets the start (and finishes) between the hedges?" Personally I see them splitting minutes right down the middle during the UNC game with Dylan really establishing himself in the 1s half of the UGA game and leading us to victory over the poodles.

Just interested in your thoughts

[henmania]

Originally Posted by CoverTwo

I mean its not a bad thing at all. Connor can obviously do things that Dylan can't but from a pure passing aspect, Dylan's arm strength and vision (probably a result of the height difference between the two) stands out. The in route to Nick Jones against Clemson is the best example.

Dylan isn't perfect. He'll put the ball in danger more than Connor will and he only completed 52% of his passes last season. It is a high risk/high reward but those passes he completes sure do look purdy.

I tell you one thing, if the work they are putting in with Dylan to improve throwing to his left pays off .. that guy is going to light up some secondaries this season. For those wondering what I am talking about, when throwing to the left hash/boundary, Dylan sometimes has a fundamental breakdown and throws across his body. They are working extremely hard on fixing that from what I have read. If thats the only part of his game that needs fine tuning, then he is going to be damn good.

Connor's throwing motion looked off. He was having to put his whole body into certain throws. He didn't look like that the year before. I wonder how much that hurt shoulder really bothered him?

[CoverTwo]

Originally Posted by henmania

Connor's throwing motion looked off. He was having to put his whole body into certain throws. He didn't look like that the year before. I wonder how much that hurt shoulder really bothered him?

I'm sure the shoulder was never 100% the entire year. In fact, I heard through the grapevine that he partially tore his labrum during the Summer before the season even started and that is the reason they took him off the weights and restricted the amount of throwing he was doing closer to Fall practice. A lot of people that attended practices commented that something looked off with respect to his ball velocity last Fall practice so I wouldn't be surprised if there was at least some truth to a preseason injury.

The bowl game, he actually looked like himself aka the guy that finished 2011 with a bang before re-aggravating his foot which is why he got more snaps than Dylan in that game.. People need to remember that.

[henmania]

Originally Posted by CoverTwo

I'm sure the shoulder was never 100% the entire year. In fact, I heard through the grapevine that he partially tore his labrum during the Summer before the season even started and that is the reason they took him off the weights and restricted the amount of throwing he was doing closer to Fall practice. A lot of people that attended practices commented that something looked off with respect to his ball velocity last Fall practice so I wouldn't be surprised if there was at least some truth to a preseason injury.

The bowl game, he actually looked like himself aka the guy that finished 2011 with a bang before re-aggravating his foot which is why he got more snaps than Dylan in that game.. People need to remember that.

I had heard the same thing about the torn labrum. There may be something to that.

[CockaThaWalk]

They're both great QBs. Bottom line, Dylan is healthy and will take big steps forward this spring and summer. It sucks that Connor is hurt because you know they feed off each others' presence on the field. Although I'm sure they crush the playbook together.

[tgobbel]

All I can say is that I love the duo! Both are winners and both are team 1st guys!

[BeatBamaTwice]

Can a torn labrum heal and repair itself?

Also 5ZR21, my thoughts on rotating them, why not something simple like, so long as the QB on the field gets the ball into the endzone, he gets to continue playing?

[ConwayGamecock]

Originally Posted by CoverTwo

I'm sure the shoulder was never 100% the entire year. In fact, I heard through the grapevine that he partially tore his labrum during the Summer before the season even started and that is the reason they took him off the weights and restricted the amount of throwing he was doing closer to Fall practice. A lot of people that attended practices commented that something looked off with respect to his ball velocity last Fall practice so I wouldn't be surprised if there was at least some truth to a preseason injury.

The bowl game, he actually looked like himself aka the guy that finished 2011 with a bang before re-aggravating his foot which is why he got more snaps than Dylan in that game.. People need to remember that.

This: also it's a bit unfair to Connor that his highlight video posted - which is part of the main context of this thread - are only highlights of his first 6 games. Connor's shoulder was hurt the most during these 6 games: he dealt with loss of strength in his throwing arm, and a limitation of range of motion. I never saw any official confirmation from the staff, but I'm sure they limited the type of throws Shaw could attempt as a result of his injury. This time period is most reflected by his "highlight" video...

Connor's top 2 passing games of last season - versus SEC opponents Tennessee and Arkansas - are not included on his video. In those games, Connor went a combined 36 of 54 (67%) for 628 yds, 5 TDs and 2 INT. He averaged over 17 yds per pass completion (Dylan averaged just under 15 ypc versus both ECU and CU).

These are nice videos and make for good off-season discussion, but IMO they are not very equitable towards both Dylan and Connor.....

[me4USC]

Originally Posted by ConwayGamecock

This: also it's a bit unfair to Connor that his highlight video posted - which is part of the main context of this thread - are only highlights of his first 6 games. Connor's shoulder was hurt the most during these 6 games: he dealt with loss of strength in his throwing arm, and a limitation of range of motion. I never saw any official confirmation from the staff, but I'm sure they limited the type of throws Shaw could attempt as a result of his injury. This time period is most reflected by his "highlight" video...

Connor's top 2 passing games of last season - versus SEC opponents Tennessee and Arkansas - are not included on his video. In those games, Connor went a combined 36 of 54 (67%) for 628 yds, 5 TDs and 2 INT. He averaged over 17 yds per pass completion (Dylan averaged just under 15 ypc versus both ECU and CU).

These are nice videos and make for good off-season discussion, but IMO they are not very equitable towards both Dylan and Connor.....

The SEC Network and ESPN made the highlight video of Dylan, not the OP. They didn't make one of Connor this year that I could find - and I tried. The OP was trying to be fair to Connor. He could not help it that there was no highlight video for him.

The thread is entitled "Dylan Thompson 2012-13 Highlights." The OP made it clear that it was a thread about Thompson. That he posted any video at all of Shaw went further than the intent shown by the stated topic.

You are welcome to start a Shaw thread with videos of him. He's a great quarterback, and I hope he'll come back at 100% in the fall. I actually did post a video of ECU, UAB, and Mizzou to try to even it up. That video features 1 1/2 games of each of them, and Mizzou was the game in which Shaw established his "20 passes in a row" record.

[Flameout12]

Originally Posted by ConwayGamecock

These are nice videos and make for good off-season discussion, but IMO they are not very equitable towards both Dylan and Connor.....

Agree...it's easy to forget that Connor's hail-mary to Alshon went 50+ yds in the air and Connor just planted and let it fly. Seems he threw some nicer deep balls in '11....just didn't throw enough of 'em.

[ConwayGamecock]

Originally Posted by me4USC

The SEC Network and ESPN made the highlight video of Dylan, not the OP. They didn't make one of Connor this year that I could find - and I tried. The OP was trying to be fair to Connor. He could not help it that there was no highlight video for him.

The thread is entitled "Dylan Thompson 2012-13 Highlights." The OP made it clear that it was a thread about Thompson. That he posted any video at all of Shaw went further than the intent shown by the stated topic.

You are welcome to start a Shaw thread with videos of him. He's a great quarterback, and I hope he'll come back at 100% in the fall. I actually did post a video of ECU, UAB, and Mizzou to try to even it up. That video features 1 1/2 games of each of them, and Mizzou was the game in which Shaw established his "20 passes in a row" record.

I have no idea at all of what you are even talking about....I can read the title of this thread, but despite it, the OP posted not only a video of Dylan, but also one of Connor. The OP's first comments after the video was "Greatest Carolina QB duo in history?". Duo meaning TWO, not one. So the thread topic was set regardless of thread title.

The thread discussion from that point forward is largely comparing BOTH QBs, not talking specifically about Dylan and Dylan alone. My post was in direct response to the vast majority of discussion within this thread. YOUR response to me has less relevancy to this thread topic than my post does....

As it is, I also understand the OP's intent, even if you do not: his main point was NOT to raise Dylan over Connor, or make Dylan out to be better than Connor....it was simply to show with pride that USC has two proven QBs heading into next season. So my response was more to the majority of subsequent responses to the OP, and not to the OP himself....

[CoverTwo]

A 2 QB system will work as long as you avoid predictability.

Spurrier pulled it off at Florida because all of his QBs were pretty much in the same mold. He didn't really change the playcalling, just who the trigger man was. He doesn't quite have that situation here. So hopefully he can keep the offense the same but mix in stuff that each QB does best. If we get into a situation where all we do is pass when Dylan comes in and ZR with Connor, good defenses are going to shut that down real quick. It would be a bit different if Connor was a freak like Newton or Tebow where you'd just put in a special package for him but that isn't he case.

And obviously, Spurrier has gone back and forth with his comments about the 2 QB system. He now says he has two guys that can play (which he does) but he has also said in the past that its preferred that they have 1 guy that can go the distance. I think what we saw in the bowl game is what we should end up seeing this season. Connor, if he is playing well, will get most of the snaps and Dylan will be in 2 or 3 series a game. That sounds reasonable to me. You get the best player that gives you the chance to win out there for most of the game, but you also get your probable future starter much needed in game reps.

Of course, this all goes out the window if one or both of them struggle. IMO, if we get into this switching QBs every play like he did with Johnson/Palmer (worked) Smelley/Garcia (didn't work), that means we aren't having a very good day at the office or season.

[ConwayGamecock]

I think Spurrier has ALWAYS preferred one QB who gets the job done and doesn't make stupid mistakes on the field.....it's just that when one QB does make mistakes or struggles, he wants another QB ready to go out onto the field and run the offense. IMO, Spurrier looks at the mentality aspect for starting QBs, and it's very similar to starting pitchers in baseball:

A top starting pitcher can have games when he doesn't have his top stuff or his location leaves him. It doesn't mean that he's not a top starting pitcher anymore, it just means he doesn't have his game. Despite having a team of defenders behind him, a pitcher is all alone on the mound, and he sometimes can get into a mental funk on the mound in some games, like golfers can have or tennis players can have. It's the mental roller-coaster of having to deal with ONE mentality or confidence. That's how golfers can have a great round one day, and a lousy round the next in the same tournament. It's how a tennis player can win one set 6-0, then lose the next 0-6. It's not like other aspects of other team sports where one member can step aside and let his teammates shoulder the load when he's struggling, and yet he still is playing in the game (like in basketball). It's where the "yips" comes from...

Spurrier understands this, and knows that when a QB gets into this mental funk, he wants to be able to pull him and put another QB in that won't have that funk going on in his own head, and it can quickly impact the offense in a positive way. Just like pulling the starting pitcher and putting in a top reliever, and all of a sudden the hits and walks end and the bleeding is stopped.

But IMO if Spurrier had a QB that went out and made the throws and didn't make poor decisions, he wouldn't rotate that guy with another just for rotation's sake. He'd leave him in and let him play every game. At UF, Spurrier didn't just pull QBs for the heck of it, he always did it when he felt the starter wasn't getting the job done. Same thing while at USC...

[me4USC]

Originally Posted by ConwayGamecock

I have no idea at all of what you are even talking about....I can read the title of this thread, but despite it, the OP posted not only a video of Dylan, but also one of Connor. The OP's first comments after the video was "Greatest Carolina QB duo in history?". Duo meaning TWO, not one. So the thread topic was set regardless of thread title.

The thread discussion from that point forward is largely comparing BOTH QBs, not talking specifically about Dylan and Dylan alone. My post was in direct response to the vast majority of discussion within this thread. YOUR response to me has less relevancy to this thread topic than my post does....

As it is, I also understand the OP's intent, even if you do not: his main point was NOT to raise Dylan over Connor, or make Dylan out to be better than Connor....it was simply to show with pride that USC has two proven QBs heading into next season. So my response was more to the majority of subsequent responses to the OP, and not to the OP himself....

Lighten up. I never said the OP was trying to raise Thompson over Shaw. I was only pointing out why there was no full highlight video of Shaw. I don't think a thread about Shaw is intended to say that he's better than Thompson any more than I think one about Thompson is an attempt to say he's better than Shaw. Why is it that this is an issue only about the two of them? If I praise AJ Cann, am I cutting down the other linemen? If I praise Bruce, am I automatically saying he's better than Ace?

[wilbert G willigers]

Originally Posted by 5zoneread21

Read a lot of ya'lls comments in this thread and the one question that keeps popping up in my mind is "who gets the start (and finishes) between the hedges?" Personally I see them splitting minutes right down the middle during the UNC game with Dylan really establishing himself in the 1s half of the UGA game and leading us to victory over the poodles.

Just interested in your thoughts

hahahahahahaha

[AlPal]

I have never been a fan of the 2 qb system but I have to admit but this is one of the only times I could see myself taking it. I feel that both have completely different strengths (Shaw-feet and protecting the ball, Thompson-trusting the routes and slinging it) and I would be content with just letting whichever one is performing better playing the particular game. If one is doing bad and were stagnant on offense, give the other a shot.

[ConwayGamecock]

Originally Posted by me4USC

Lighten up. I never said the OP was trying to raise Thompson over Shaw. I was only pointing out why there was no full highlight video of Shaw. I don't think a thread about Shaw is intended to say that he's better than Thompson any more than I think one about Thompson is an attempt to say he's better than Shaw. Why is it that this is an issue only about the two of them? If I praise AJ Cann, am I cutting down the other linemen? If I praise Bruce, am I automatically saying he's better than Ace?

No, you aren't. But your comment to me implied that the OP wanted this to be a thread topic specifically about Dylan, when he was the one that posted the Shaw video as comparison. From that point forward, the comparisons between the 2 QBs was inevitable, and that's essentially what the thread is now about.

In light of that simple fact, all I did was suggest that if anyone is using those posted videos, that they would not get the best basis for comparison of each QB's passing abilities, since one video shows one QB's best passing highlights, and the other video omits the other QB's best passing highlights, or at least omits his top 2 passing games. That's all I said....

[cofcgamecock9]

Originally Posted by me4USC

Lighten up. I never said the OP was trying to raise Thompson over Shaw. I was only pointing out why there was no full highlight video of Shaw. I don't think a thread about Shaw is intended to say that he's better than Thompson any more than I think one about Thompson is an attempt to say he's better than Shaw. Why is it that this is an issue only about the two of them? If I praise AJ Cann, am I cutting down the other linemen? If I praise Bruce, am I automatically saying he's better than Ace?

It will be interesting if people can actually do this. It is a great idea. See what happens when someone brings up something really positive about Connor. I will be very interested to see how that goes.