COCKYTALK SPRING PRACTICE REPORT 3/19/13 (practice #3)

[Acockolypse Now]

I agree, I'd love to see Adams shift to WR, especially since it looks like Drew is ready to contribute.

The downside to that is that Adams would have to totally relearn parts of the playbook and would be a bit behind. Having him blocking downfield however, would do amazing things for the running game.

[trapper82]

Originally Posted by Acockolypse Now

I agree, I'd love to see Adams shift to WR, especially since it looks like Drew is ready to contribute.

The downside to that is that Adams would have to totally relearn parts of the playbook and would be a bit behind. Having him blocking downfield however, would do amazing things for the running game.

Perhaps he'd just have to learn the B receiver role?

[CoverTwo]

Adams and Anderson would fail miserably at WR which is why the coaching staff hasn't moved them. They are better fits w/ their skill sets and draw better matchups at Tight End.

[CockyinCharge]

^ why would they fail? They can catch the ball very well and have a huge size adv... plus they could seal the outside on any pitches etc

B/c of route running? Understandable if so, but just send them on a post route and i don't see how a corner could cover them


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[cockypanther]

Originally Posted by CockyinCharge

^ why would they fail? They can catch the ball very well and have a huge size adv... plus they could seal the outside on any pitches etc

B/c of route running? Understandable if so, but just send them on a post route and i don't see how a corner could cover them


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They probably lack in quickness and breaking in and out of cuts.. you need quick and fluid hips to be a WR.

[Spurticus]

Originally Posted by CoverTwo

Adams and Anderson would fail miserably at WR which is why the coaching staff hasn't moved them. They are better fits w/ their skill sets and draw better matchups at Tight End.

Originally Posted by cockypanther

They probably lack in quickness and breaking in and out of cuts.. you need quick and fluid hips to be a WR.

I've heard this many times the past few years now that Combines, and
Recruit camps are a main event on ESPN. It was said by many fans
about Jared Cook. I really think "measureables" during drills are OK, but
they get way too much credit for dictating a player's ability when it comes
time to suit up and play. All I can tell you is that Ryan Brewer didn't
have Flexable hips, speedy feet or quickness off the snap, but I'll take
3 Ryan Brewers at WR vs Your 3 Damiere Byrds (who has world class
Speed, and flexable hips) and I'll beat your team 10 out of 10 times.

I agree that Anderson is a solid TE and I doubt the coaches want to
experiment at this stage in his career by moving him to the outside,
but I happen to think he would do well there if they did move him out
to the X position. He is as fast as Sidney Rice and is as good with his
hands as any receiver we've had here the last 2-3 years. He'd do
every bit as good as some of the players we've fielded at WR and tried
to get involved in the offense, and he's MUCH better than some WRs
we've had on the roster for 2,3 even 4 seasons but never got serious
PT.

[KaneisAble]

Thanks Spurt.

[CoverTwo]

Originally Posted by Spurticus

I've heard this many times the past few years now that Combines, and
Recruit camps are a main event on ESPN. It was said by many fans
about Jared Cook. I really think "measureables" during drills are OK, but
they get way too much credit for dictating a player's ability when it comes
time to suit up and play. All I can tell you is that Ryan Brewer didn't
have Flexable hips, speedy feet or quickness off the snap, but I'll take
3 Ryan Brewers at WR vs Your 3 Damiere Byrds (who has world class
Speed, and flexable hips) and I'll beat your team 10 out of 10 times.

I agree that Anderson is a solid TE and I doubt the coaches want to
experiment at this stage in his career by moving him to the outside,
but I happen to think he would do well there if they did move him out
to the X position. He is as fast as Sidney Rice and is as good with his
hands as any receiver we've had here the last 2-3 years. He'd do
every bit as good as some of the players we've fielded at WR and tried
to get involved in the offense, and he's MUCH better than some WRs
we've had on the roster for 2,3 even 4 seasons but never got serious
PT.

Ryan Brewer was a hybrid RB/WR that didn't do much of anything when he was lined up in the slot. He was his best when he was running the football. I would take my 3 Damiere Byrds with more speed and athletic ability and throw over the top of your defense all day long.

Thats fine and all that Anderson is as fast or faster than some of our previous greats at wide receiver but he would get absolutely shutdown by a good SEC cornerback because he isn't fluid enough to get separation nor get in and out of breaks. This is why he is a Tight End and not a receiver. He is fast enough to outrun linebackers and he has the size to fill voids down the field and shield the ball from Safeties. A good SEC corner would be attached to him stride for stride on the outside. He has his role on this team and he is good at it. Not sure why people think it needs to change by taking away what makes him successful in the first place.

[Mick Chicken]

The reason Busta is open the way he is, when he is..is because of the matchups and game plan for his position. The plays to him are usually set up through multiple plays, sets and formations, both run and pass...and the culmination is usually a mismatch leaving him wide open or at least in a favorable position to make a big play. If he was split out running wr plays the whole game his production would not be the same. This is also why his td/catch ratio is so high. I think they could scheme some different sets for him split out and he would still be a threat...but the way he is being used now is all part of a game plan. That said...I wouldn't mind seeing a few more passes thrown his way each game.

[bhs04]

The cavalry has arrived!

Thanks for the backup. I couldn't say it the way y'all have. Just remembered that cover two made some really good points about hips, fluidity, good DB's and that the offense we run allows for most of his plays to be high production ones. Glad I wasn't left fighting this one alone.

I would like to see him involved more though. Just like everyone else.

[ReelCocky35]

Thanks for the update. Is Shon Carson praticing, and if so, how is doing?

[snoopy]

Thanks Spurt for the great report, and comments.

[SimpleGamecock]

Originally Posted by ReelCocky35

Thanks for the update. Is Shon Carson praticing, and if so, how is doing?

He's with the baseball team and hasn't been able to make it to a practice yet. There is a chance he could show up for one or two practices but right now his time is dedicated to the baseball team first.

[CockyinCharge]

So a 5'10-6'0 CB, even going stride for stride with Busta, would be able to defend a 6'5 beast with a solid vert and good hands? Unless the pass is underthrown I see small chance there barring Anderson drops it, regardless if tere is "seperation" or not

The size advantage alone makes me wish we tried it (considering how hard it seemed for our small WRs to get seperated last year and how our larger WRs couldn't see the field)

Maybe im not seeing something, or maybe i just miss us having that big go-to WR and i know we have multiple very talented TE's who can't all start

Go Cocks!!

[2000grad]

Originally Posted by CoverTwo

Ryan Brewer was a hybrid RB/WR that didn't do much of anything when he was lined up in the slot. He was his best when he was running the football. I would take my 3 Damiere Byrds with more speed and athletic ability and throw over the top of your defense all day long.

Thats fine and all that Anderson is as fast or faster than some of our previous greats at wide receiver but he would get absolutely shutdown by a good SEC cornerback because he isn't fluid enough to get separation nor get in and out of breaks. This is why he is a Tight End and not a receiver. He is fast enough to outrun linebackers and he has the size to fill voids down the field and shield the ball from Safeties. A good SEC corner would be attached to him stride for stride on the outside. He has his role on this team and he is good at it. Not sure why people think it needs to change by taking away what makes him successful in the first place.

Brewer had great hands and ran great routes. Can't really compare him to Anderson because of the size differential IMO

[Spurticus]

Originally Posted by CoverTwo

Ryan Brewer was a hybrid RB/WR that didn't do much of anything when he was lined up in the slot. He was his best when he was running the football. I would take my 3 Damiere Byrds with more speed and athletic ability and throw over the top of your defense all day long.

Thats fine and all that Anderson is as fast or faster than some of our previous greats at wide receiver but he would get absolutely shutdown by a good SEC cornerback because he isn't fluid enough to get separation nor get in and out of breaks. This is why he is a Tight End and not a receiver. He is fast enough to outrun linebackers and he has the size to fill voids down the field and shield the ball from Safeties. A good SEC corner would be attached to him stride for stride on the outside. He has his role on this team and he is good at it. Not sure why people think it needs to change by taking away what makes him successful in the first place.

I know Ryan was a RB/WR type player. His primary position when we
signed him was to be a RB...However, those same "measureables" that
are desired in Wide Outs are also what coaches / scouts look for in
Tailbacks. Flexable hips, Quick off the snap, Speed is a plus back there
but mainly Athletic ability. ... Ryan was not high up on the list of any of
those at any of the camps, which is why he wasn't highly recruited even
in his own back yard. Lou Holtz looked beyond measureables when he
saw Brewer's game film and liked that what he lacked in Speed, Quickness
and Flexability, he more than made up for in dogged courage and Heart.
I can show you replays of Ryans career and there were many MANY times
he was covered by a much faster, much more athletic DB / LB but when
he had the ball thrown to him, he was the guy who came down with the
ball. ...... Added comment: How many coaches look for Quickness, Speed,
good cutting ability, and overall athletic ability in a Punt or Kick Return
guy ? Again, Ryan didn't have those measureables in great amounts, but
when the 2000/2001 teams wanted someone to return Kicks after trying
guys back there like Derrick Watson, Troy Williamson, Chavez Donnings
etc...(all those gifted athletes with speed and Flexability that couldn't
cut it), it was Ryan Brewer who got the call and made the plays for those
teams.
Ryan wasn't a overly gifted person when it came to great athletic skills
and speed, but as I said before. I'll take a team full of Ryan Brewers and
kick ass against any team with a load of "gifted athletes" with all the
measureables.

[Cock Kool-Aid]

Occasionally, you recruit a kid because you like his intangibles, like Brewer... but you aren't going to have success by recruiting a bunch of kids who don't have the measurables just because you expect them to play with "dogged heart"... so it is pointless to compare a team of Brewers vs Byrds... because a team of Byrds is actually a somewhat realistic expectation, while a team of Brewers simply isn't going to happen.

[Acockolypse Now]

Ryan Brewer fielded punts because he didn't fumble.

Typical Ryan Brewer punt return, 1. Catch ball 2. Fall down forward.

[qcgamecock]

Originally Posted by Acockolypse Now

Ryan Brewer fielded punts because he didn't fumble.

Typical Ryan Brewer punt return, 1. Catch ball 2. Fall down forward.

I have to agree with Sparticus and I remember Brewer not only as reliable as a punt returner but if we needed a boost he would bust a few tackles and make me get up out of my seat. He is on par with a great athlete, Bruuuuce when it comes to kick returns.

Played in 11 games as a senior leading the team in receiving with 28 receptions for 299 yards and one score. Also carried the ball 20 times for 31 yards with three more TDs. Originally led South Carolina in receptions as a junior with numbers of 37-352-2, averaging 21.3 yards on 18 kick returns. Named Outback Bowl MVP in 2001 after tallying 214 all-purpose yards with three scores, leading South Carolina to a 24-7 victor over Ohio State. Finished the season catching 36-418-2 and started 10 games.
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/...-brewer-1.html

[qcgamecock]

Thanks for the report as always Spurt, look forward to seeing what recievers step up this spring. Curious on your thoughts of Deke Adams at his first few practices.