Quality of SEC offensive execution

[USCNowAndForever]

Originally Posted by GamecockSuperFan

Didn't Franklin coach at Auburn? In the SEC? Oh yeah he did.

After the first six games, Auburn ranked 104th in total offense out of all FBS teams.

Auburn head coach Tuberville fired Franklin, citing a lack of offensive production from Franklin's spread offense, and noting Auburn's diminishing rank in most of the offensive categories in the FBS. At that time, the team had a 4-2 record. Auburn went on to win only one of the final six games, finishing with a 5–7 record. Some saw this as proof that even though Franklin was able to use his offense in lesser conferences and against lesser defenses, in the SEC where defense reigns, his version of the spread could not work.


But wait it HAD to be the defenses coaches fault right? I mean it couldn't possibly have been his fault why his offense didn't work in the SEC? Or maybe he didn't have the players he wanted in place? but I thought his system could be ran with anyone as long as they were coached up on how to do things correctly and practiced, practiced, practiced? Nope must have been all Tuberville's fault.

First, the Hal Mumme/Mike Leach Air Raid has already worked in the SEC, at Kentucky.

Second, concerning Tony Franklin at Auburn, take what you will from this article:

http://smartfootball.blogspot.com/20...-but-dont.html

[USCNowAndForever]

Originally Posted by gsmith4776

Here is a question to consider when talking execution, proper technique, etc... Could it be that the constant beating u take from elite defenses causes u to mentally check out from time to time? Miss a block, play sloppy, etc.. Getting jammed at the line and thrown off ur route , making it physically impossible to run a tight route, timing route, what have u, no matter how simple or complicated the offense is?
I see what u are saying about reps, simplified offenses, making it easier to make the right desision. But I would argue that it's the physical plays made by the defense prior to and after those "sloppy" plays( for lack of better words) that causes mistakes. Even with the teams u mention and just about every other team , when faced against a great defense they seem to get thrown off their game. See la tech against a&m, au against Oregon, us against Clemson, Texas tech against Oklahoma or Texas, and on and on....
I also think talent has everything to do with it. Leach sucked at wsu last season. Why was that? We have far better execution now than years past...again talent ( really noticeable at qb).
Bottom line is I think you are arguing points, and making valid points, but leaving out so many variables from not just an x and o standpoint but a physical and mental standpoint as well.

Overall, you made some great points here, and I agree with most of what you said.

What about running a crossing route when the defense is dropping into zone coverage at the snap though? No one is jamming the receivers then.

LA Tech put up 57 points on Texas A&M...

When Oregon played Auburn, Oregon ran some new stuff, and Darren Thomas clearly struggled with it.

http://offensivebreakdown.blogspot.c...on-thomas.html

I am not saying that is the only reason Oregon struggled, but when their defense was able to hold Auburn's offense to such a low score, surely their high-scoring offense could have put up enough points to win? Why go away from what got you to the national championship game in the first place? I think that game was a great example of a coach trying to outsmart the opposing defense, but instead they ended up defeating themselves by having their players run plays that they were not comfortable running.

I would argue that Clemson probably tries to do too much on offense as well.

I agree with you about talent. That is part of why it is so frustrating to see not only South Carolina struggle offensively, but also other SEC teams. They have talent, unlike Leach at Texas Tech, or Franklin at LA Tech. SEC teams might have good offenses, but they leave so many points off the board because of execution errors.

I have been talking about the physical and mental standpoint and not just x's and o's this entire thread. I think x's and o's are overemphasized. There is too much focus on plays rather than players. That's exactly why I am arguing for a philosophy of simplicity as well as designing an offense to essentially render the design of SEC defenses useless. As Brian Brophy covered in his blog that I linked to several times in this thread, defenses traditionally have been designed to deal with categorized and situational offenses.

Franklin has basically thrown that to the wind. Why play into the defense's hand by operating with the style of football that the defense was built to defend?

It's like the American guerrilla fighters in the Revolutionary War. The British army was built for traditional European warfare. The Americans were able to gain an advantage by fighting on their own terms rather than the British army's terms.

If SEC defenses are so powerful, isn't that all the more reason to use an unorthodox method rather than playing on their terms?

[Cock Kool-Aid]

Originally Posted by USCNowAndForever

What?

Dude, you need to learn some time management skills, mostly prioritization... god bless.

[USCNowAndForever]

Originally Posted by Cock Kool-Aid

Dude, you need to learn some time management skills, mostly prioritization... god bless.

That's all you have to add to this discussion?

[USCNowAndForever]

Originally Posted by sandstorm2001

I don't understand why you keep harping on Mount Cody being put in on Offense. Did you see how many TD's Bama got with him on the field? You think Saban kept doing it because it never worked?

When will Legendary coaches like Steve Spurrier and Nick Saban get to attend the USCNowAndForever coaching clinic?

Just because they scored touchdowns when he was in does not mean he necessarily contributed. Ingram still almost scored a touchdown on the play I mentioned in the OP. How many touchdowns did they get when Cody played on offense?

[USCNowAndForever]

Originally Posted by crowcutta

florida game, the play i see early on is where connor shaw is sacked in the first quarter with ace as the lone receiver on the right side. mike davis comes out of the backfield over the middle running an out and runs into ace sanders over the middle. maybe ace doesnt get enough depth on his crossing or in route, but im inclined to blame the true freshman in the backfield in that instance.

i wouldnt say its just an sec thing, and its not like someone couldnt point out instances of defensive mistakes from the same games where the offensive lack of execution is being pinpointed.

Florida was playing zone coverage on the play you mentioned, so there were no defenders to bump them off their routes. That just looks like a play that has not been practiced enough. People constantly talk on here, and in football discussion in general, about freshmen needing time to learn the offense, or struggling to learn the offense. Why not simplify the offense in order to make it easier to learn and master for the freshmen?

Offenses really just don't need to be as complicated as most coaches make their offenses.

Inside Zone, Outside Zone, Power, Stick, Snag, Slant Arrow, Four Verticals, Key Screen, Tunnel Screen, and Jailbreak Screen are really all the base plays you need on offense. You need to have some "Constraint plays" off of the base plays in case the defense starts cheating. For example, Inside Trap and Counter Trey.

Occasionally, you can throw in a few other plays, like Shallow Cross if you are going to be facing a lot of man coverage, or All Hitches if you are going to see a lot of Cover 3 or Cover 4.

[CockyinCharge]

What are you trying to prove? That you can beat a dead horse so bad its children (phillys?) feel it?

The SEC is and has been the best conference, and it's not even close!! best talent, coaches, fans, performance, etc

Even NFL teams make mistakes, nobody is perfect!!! THe SEC has the best talent, best coaches, and their offenses play against the BEST DEFENSES. They don't have the same luxury as Pac10 or Big10 teams do- being able to face defenses that have at most 1 or 2 future late round draft picks..

Trying to find flaws in the SEC is like dating Lennay Kekou.. you look like a fool, and in the end everyone wonders why you wasted all that time


Go Cocks!

[purebredcock]

Cockytalk has a mob mentality

[Cock Kool-Aid]

Originally Posted by USCNowAndForever

That's all you have to add to this discussion?

I want this discussion to die. You are out of control. Write a book.

[sandstorm2001]

Originally Posted by USCNowAndForever

Just because they scored touchdowns when he was in does not mean he necessarily contributed. Ingram still almost scored a touchdown on the play I mentioned in the OP. How many touchdowns did they get when Cody played on offense?

Well I don't know, but I'm no Alabama fan and I saw it happen more than once. Defenses would read the play based on the direction that Cody was blocking, so Saban started using him as a diversion and running the ball the opposite direction of the way Cody made it look like they were running it. Obviously they didn't do that every time, but just enough to keep defenses on their toes. It was a designed play that Bama had a lot of success with. Again, you questioning it is pointless, and if you went to Saban to discuss it with him I'm sure he would imprint each of his rings into your forehead and laugh you out of his office while pelting you with the $100 bills he uses to wipe his ass.

[sandstorm2001]

Originally Posted by Cock Kool-Aid

I want this discussion to die. You are out of control. Write a book.

I think we may just have a New York Times Best Seller on our hands here.