COCKYTALK SPRING PRACTICE REPORT 3/21/13 ( practice #4)

[gsmith4776]

Hey USCnowandForever, you owe me 50 pushups for wasting my time with that meaningless tangent you call insight

[USCNowAndForever]

Originally Posted by bhs04

Ummm.... They're not grown men, they're adults, but aside from a few fifth year seniors I don't think you could call any of em "grown men". Spurrier is teaching them to be grown men.

Fair point in the first sentence, but there are better ways of building people up...Did you not see all the coaches I mentioned?

Originally Posted by bhs04

I guess we don't have I ask if you were in the military now do we.

No, I am not in the military. To my knowledge, neither is Steve Spurrier, nor the rest of the South Carolina Gamecocks football team.

Originally Posted by bhs04

And also, I think it is performance building. It is teaching them to hold themselves accountable. Once they can hold themselves accountable they can then hold their teammates accountable, and a team is only as strong as their leaders push them to be.

Again, there are better ways. If it ultimately comes down to you preferring the militaristic and authoritarian styles of discipline, then that is your right to prefer them, but if there are better methods, why not use those instead?

[USCNowAndForever]

Originally Posted by Spurticus

Thanks for the imput



I guess we're going to have a difference of Opinion on this. It has worked
for the Military and organized sports of all kinds at all levels for decades
so I don't have an issue with it myself. It's easier for me to watch a
guy doing some kind of mild negative reinforcement like push ups instead
of watching them drop punts and turn it over the oppostion during
games.

I respect your opinion. It has worked, but there are better methods. Did you not see all the leaders I listed? They did not need to resort to militaristic and authoritarian methods of discipline to get the results that they did. And not only that, they also got better results than Spurrier has, both at the collegiate level and at the professional level.

Also, making players do push-ups after a performance error is positive punishment, not negative reinforcement.

The goal of positive punishment is to decrease a behavior via adding an unpleasant stimulus. People often get positive and negative reinforcement, and positive and negative punishment confused.

The goal of reinforcement is to increase a behavior; the goal of punishment is to decrease a behavior.

Originally Posted by Spurticus

Not laughing at your statement above Now&forever, just at the thought
that popped into my head when you said



I just think it's funny that some fans (myself included) look at these
players as Grown, yet as soon as one of them gets into trouble, the
fans immediatley start the "These are just college kids out on their
own for the fist time....cut them a break"

Just read through the Garcia interview thread yesterday and people
were still refering to Garcia as "a kid gone wrong" in his senior season.
22 years old with a child, and because he made mistake....he was a kid.

I (like yourself) think that an 18/19 year old freshman is more than
Just a kid.

I think some of them are still growing up, both physically and mentally, but there are some players on the team who I think you would consider grown men, correct?

[USCNowAndForever]

Originally Posted by Mr. Belvedere

You apparently have never played a sport.

What a bunch of drivel.....

This post is a direct reflection of our screwed up society. Bring the top down in order to appease the bottom and create an environment of mediocrity.

One of our players did push ups DURING A GAME because he muffed an INT. He got flagged, but the message was clear. You don't settle for mediocrity if you want to be the best.

You apparently never read the whole post.

Did you not see all the leaders I listed who have used authoritative discipline, and have gotten better results than Spurrier at the collegiate and professional levels?

If you prefer the militaristic and authoritarian styles of discipline, then I respect your right to have that preference.

What I was trying to point out is that there are superior methods.

This is like people insisting that we still use axes to cut down trees...Sure, axes work, but we have chainsaws now, and while they are not perfect, they work much better than axes when used properly. Basically, militaristic and authoritarian discipline is outdated and ancient in the context of athletics.