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Old 12-03-2013, 08:23 PM   #1
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I think with the poor end to the year plus there being guys like Manziel ahead of him already in this draft, it makes sense to come back.
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There are only 3 pro teams that run offenses he would fit in (Eagles, Niners, and Skins). All three have their quarterbacks. Then again, you can always get an education. You can't always play in the NFL. Get paid son.
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There are only 3 pro teams that run offenses he would fit in (Eagles, Niners, and Skins). All three have their quarterbacks. Then again, you can always get an education. You can't always play in the NFL. Get paid son.
New coaches enter the NFL every year and change the offensive schemes of their team. I agree 3 coaches this year but by the time the NFL coaching carousel stops there may be more.
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There are only 3 pro teams that run offenses he would fit in (Eagles, Niners, and Skins). All three have their quarterbacks. Then again, you can always get an education. You can't always play in the NFL. Get paid son.
I think the teams you mentioned would be wise to draft him or guys like Manziel in the 3rd round so you have a back up who could run the same system as the starter, if they go down. If you want to run the QB than you should treat them like RBs and draft a guy every 3-4 years so you can use them as interchangeable parts. I am not saying everyone is equal or would work out but I bet it would work pretty well like the late round RBs have proven to work.
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Well for one, Manziel isn't going to drop down to the third round.

For two, Quarterbacks have never and will never be interchangeable parts like backs. If they were, then they wouldn't be getting paid the most money in the NFL.

For three, the NFL has 53 roster spots. Most teams only carry two active quarterbacks and then an emergency one.

Hell I was being generous by saying that Kelly has the system that Mariota would thrive in. He's changed it from being based on the read option to being based on the speed he has in the passing game.
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Well for one, Manziel isn't going to drop down to the third round.

For two, Quarterbacks have never and will never be interchangeable parts like backs. If they were, then they wouldn't be getting paid the most money in the NFL.

For three, the NFL has 53 roster spots. Most teams only carry two active quarterbacks and then an emergency one.

Hell I was being generous by saying that Kelly has the system that Mariota would thrive in. He's changed it from being based on the read option to being based on the speed he has in the passing game.
I disagree if you are running a system that asks the QB to run a lot. They are RBs who can throw. People used to say the same about RBs and now look, they are a dime a dozen. You can argue how far guys will drop but my point is still valid. It makes no sense to draft guys who can't run to back up guys like RG III. There are plenty of talented running QBs that can drop far enough that can play in the shotgun spread style offenses. Shaw would be a prime candidate of a guy you can pick up late and would be a great back up to RG III and the others. It doesn't mean you don't protect the starter but you shouldn't have to have to offensive playbooks like these teams basically have.

It really is only a matter of time until teams start doing it. QBs cost too much and can set the franchise back too many years when trying to find the Mannings or Lucks of the world. It's easier to pay less and go with quantity over quality. Also when those QBs like Rodgers go down, their teams are awful. By doing this you'd be able to remain competitive. It's actually embarassing how bad some teams are when their starter goes down. QB salaries hamstring teams and prevent them from getting other needed guys.

Do you really think Cam is going to have a 15 year career? No. He will have 10 years, just like a RB, before he can't physically run enough to succeed. It is the same as McNabb and why his career just plummeted. Technically this is just going back to what QBs originally were, before guys like Marino started succeeding. QBs used to be the best athlete on the field and ran all around. Football is cyclical and it will eventually change to athletic guys and then back to pocket passers as the D changes.
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I wish he would have gone. I don't share in the Oregon love fest everyone seems to have
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I disagree if you are running a system that asks the QB to run a lot. They are RBs who can throw. People used to say the same about RBs and now look, they are a dime a dozen. You can argue how far guys will drop but my point is still valid. It makes no sense to draft guys who can't run to back up guys like RG III. There are plenty of talented running QBs that can drop far enough that can play in the shotgun spread style offenses. Shaw would be a prime candidate of a guy you can pick up late and would be a great back up to RG III and the others. It doesn't mean you don't protect the starter but you shouldn't have to have to offensive playbooks like these teams basically have.

It really is only a matter of time until teams start doing it. QBs cost too much and can set the franchise back too many years when trying to find the Mannings or Lucks of the world. It's easier to pay less and go with quantity over quality. Also when those QBs like Rodgers go down, their teams are awful. By doing this you'd be able to remain competitive. It's actually embarassing how bad some teams are when their starter goes down. QB salaries hamstring teams and prevent them from getting other needed guys.

Do you really think Cam is going to have a 15 year career? No. He will have 10 years, just like a RB, before he can't physically run enough to succeed. It is the same as McNabb and why his career just plummeted. Technically this is just going back to what QBs originally were, before guys like Marino started succeeding. QBs used to be the best athlete on the field and ran all around. Football is cyclical and it will eventually change to athletic guys and then back to pocket passers as the D changes.
Jesus dude. I can't believe this post is even real. Do you know anything about the NFL? Do you even NFL bro?
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Only The Mothership does that. They have a logo tie in plus Phil Knight knighting hard (pun intended) for the Ducks. Notice that for all of Oregon's success, they have very little results of note.
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Jesus dude. I can't believe this post is even real. Do you know anything about the NFL? Do you even NFL bro?
Apparently you have no way to refute so you will just insult. I listed plenty of things explaining why I could see the NFL evolving or cycling back to the past, yet you have nothing remotely close to a response to them.

I find it more laughable that you can't see how it makes sense to draft other running QBs to backup current starters that run a lot. Furtermore, that you can't recognized that finding a Peyton, Eli, Brady, Rogers, Breez and Luck is harder than drafting guys who can just run around and chuck it up is sad. There is a reason why colleges have gone to the spread, running QB. It is easier to find those type of QBs and it is easier to coach. It is far harder to coach the classic drop back game then the spread option/passing attacks.
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Apparently you have no way to refute so you will just insult. I listed plenty of things explaining why I could see the NFL evolving or cycling back to the past, yet you have nothing remotely close to a response to them.

I find it more laughable that you can't see how it makes sense to draft other running QBs to backup current starters that run a lot. Furtermore, that you can't recognized that finding a Peyton, Eli, Brady, Rogers, Breez and Luck is harder than drafting guys who can just run around and chuck it up is sad. There is a reason why colleges have gone to the spread, running QB. It is easier to find those type of QBs and it is easier to coach. It is far harder to coach the classic drop back game then the spread option/passing attacks.

I didn't offer contradiction to your post because your post was so stupid I couldn't believe you actually meant it. Yeah you can go whine about that, but really, what you said, there is no other word for it besides stupid.
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There are only 3 pro teams that run offenses he would fit in (Eagles, Niners, and Skins). All three have their quarterbacks. Then again, you can always get an education. You can't always play in the NFL. Get paid son.

It's not all about the money with everyone, although you wouldn't know it with some of our players. I have nothing but admiration for a guy that could be a top pick in the draft honoring his commitment to his college and coming back for his senior year.
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It's not all about the money with everyone, although you wouldn't know it with some of our players. I have nothing but admiration for a guy that could be a top pick in the draft honoring his commitment to his college and coming back for his senior year.
Mariota is a RS Sophomore. He is talented and coming off a great year, but he is still really raw and needs to fine tune some things before starting for a NFL team.
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I disagree if you are running a system that asks the QB to run a lot. They are RBs who can throw. People used to say the same about RBs and now look, they are a dime a dozen. You can argue how far guys will drop but my point is still valid. It makes no sense to draft guys who can't run to back up guys like RG III. There are plenty of talented running QBs that can drop far enough that can play in the shotgun spread style offenses. Shaw would be a prime candidate of a guy you can pick up late and would be a great back up to RG III and the others. It doesn't mean you don't protect the starter but you shouldn't have to have to offensive playbooks like these teams basically have.

It really is only a matter of time until teams start doing it. QBs cost too much and can set the franchise back too many years when trying to find the Mannings or Lucks of the world. It's easier to pay less and go with quantity over quality. Also when those QBs like Rodgers go down, their teams are awful. By doing this you'd be able to remain competitive. It's actually embarassing how bad some teams are when their starter goes down. QB salaries hamstring teams and prevent them from getting other needed guys.

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Until the Superbowl can be won by a scrambling qb system then the hunt for Peyton and Luck will continue.

The top teams in the league are consistent and that is because they can beat elite nfl defenses and this only seems to happen consistently when Peyton, Tom, Drew, Russell and the other elite QB's do it.

For the record I do agree with some of you points but I think Cam is trying to become a pocket passer because you cannot run every week against NFL teams and if you find someone who can you will still have to pay him the big money.
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Until the Superbowl can be won by a scrambling qb system then the hunt for Peyton and Luck will continue.

The top teams in the league are consistent and that is because they can beat elite nfl defenses and this only seems to happen consistently when Peyton, Tom, Drew, Russell and the other elite QB's do it.

For the record I do agree with some of you points but I think Cam is trying to become a pocket passer because you cannot run every week against NFL teams and if you find someone who can you will still have to pay him the big money.
I agree that Cam is trying to become a better passer, but so did McNabb and look how that ended. The problem is, these guys are done a disservice when they are young by HS and college coaches not developing their passing skills and by the time they get to the NFL it is just too late to change/learn it.

I think people will still look for the Mannings, but you are going to see teams going another route and stocking up on running QBs like they are RBs.
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I think is nice to see these athletes stay. College is supposed to be about getting an education not just preparing for a professional career. It's nice to have athletes who have something to fall back on if a pro career doesn't pan out.
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