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Old 12-06-2013, 07:55 AM   #21
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I think the ruling was that he was going down during the catch and has to maintain possession to the ground. The ground can't cause the ball to pop out. It's a close call. I thought it was a catch.

I seem to remember there was a similar call the week before during the Auburn Georgia game.

Just saw Gamecock Guy's post - yep, same scenario.
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Old 12-06-2013, 08:21 AM   #22
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the ground caused the fumble. And in CFB, if your elbow or knee is down, the ground cannot cause a fumble. They clearly blew that call. That was a catch, and he was down at the 2.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the ground caused the fumble. And in CFB, if your elbow or knee is down, the ground cannot cause a fumble. They clearly blew that call. That was a catch, and he was down at the 2.
I think it's a fairly new rule that you must maintain possession while going down during a catch. If the ground causes the ball to come loose, it's an incomplete pass.
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Old 12-06-2013, 08:58 AM   #24
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the ground caused the fumble. And in CFB, if your elbow or knee is down, the ground cannot cause a fumble. They clearly blew that call. That was a catch, and he was down at the 2.
The ground cannot cause a fumble, but it can cause an incomplete pass:
Airborne receiver A85 grasps a forward pass and in the process of going
to the ground, first contacts the ground with his left foot as he falls to
the ground inbounds. Immediately upon A85 hitting the ground, the ball
comes loose and touches the ground. RULING: Incomplete pass. An
airborne receiver must maintain control of the ball while going to the
ground in the process of completing a catch.
From: http://www.dfoa.com/attachments/arti..._Rule_Book.pdf

This rule interpretation has been around for a just a few years now, afaik.
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The more I watch this play the more I think the refs and the replay booth blew the call. It looks like a safety.

Shaq has the ball with two hands for a catch. He brings it in takes 3 steps and fumbles while trying to extend for the goal line. He was never down.
It would have been a safety if he would have fumbled it through his own endzone
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The ground cannot cause a fumble. You are either down or lose it before you touch the ground.
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It would have been a safety if he would have fumbled it through his own endzone
It would have been a touch back, and Clemson would have gotten it at the 20. No points awarded. I'm not sure that's what you're saying there though....
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games over, didn't you hear. might as well look at some close plays where we lost.
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if it had come out right before he hit the ground and clemsux had recovered it, it would have been a catch, a fumble and recovery. cough accrefs cough
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I can tell the seasons almost over and our next game is a month away. These threads will pop up everywhere....
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It would have been a touch back, and Clemson would have gotten it at the 20. No points awarded. I'm not sure that's what you're saying there though....
The offense is responsible for getting the ball out of their own endzone. If they are tackled in their own endzone, fumble it through their own endzone, kick it through their own endzone, or pass it through their own endzone, that is a safety. So, the OP, and he did correct his post and I didn't see it (Apologies to the OP), said that it was a safety because he thought if it was ruled a fumble and he fumbled it through Clemson's endzone, then it would be a safety. I don't know of any way that someone can fumble the ball through the opponent's endzone and have it be a safety
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We scored 7 anyway didnt we on the drive. If that was the drive we just got a field goal then we just would have beaten them worse.
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It is 100% a catch. He catches it, no bobble, takes 3 steps, elbow hits the ground (so he's down) then it comes out.

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This is what happened... 100%
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I think we are lucky they didn't call it a touchback. Lets just take the interference and let it go.
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I think it's a fairly new rule that you must maintain possession while going down during a catch. If the ground causes the ball to come loose, it's an incomplete pass.
This may be the problem right here. According to this rule a receiver can uncatch a pass. The receiver can have possession and not have possession.
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Default Re: Shaq's Incomplete Pass

I believe this should have been ruled a catch but i can tell you why it wasn't...

It has been labled as the Calvin Johnson rule. He has been hit with it twice we has caught a wide open touchdown and as soon as he caught it he placed the ball on the ground. The refs and the replay officials ruled that it was an incomplete pass because he did not maintain possession throughout the catch.

Move to the Auburn-GA game. Again, I believe that the catch in the first quarter should have been ruled a catch but it was ruled an incompletion. There was no offical ruling from the official other than incomplete. If you watch that replay it was the same thing that happened to Shaq. Although he made a football move (the couple of steps after the catch) he did not maintain possesion through the fall to the ground. He dropped the catch as soon as he hit the ground. Although his knee was down possession was ruled not to be maintained through the entirety of the catch.

Again, in my opinion, it should be ruled as a catch but i understand why it is not ruled that way.
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It is 100% a catch. He catches it, no bobble, takes 3 steps, elbow hits the ground (so he's down) then it comes out.

The review guy has one job.
This. That call and the one they blew against UF makes you wonder wtf they are looking at.
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I believe this should have been ruled a catch but i can tell you why it wasn't...

It has been labled as the Calvin Johnson rule. He has been hit with it twice we has caught a wide open touchdown and as soon as he caught it he placed the ball on the ground. The refs and the replay officials ruled that it was an incomplete pass because he did not maintain possession throughout the catch.

Move to the Auburn-GA game. Again, I believe that the catch in the first quarter should have been ruled a catch but it was ruled an incompletion. There was no offical ruling from the official other than incomplete. If you watch that replay it was the same thing that happened to Shaq. Although he made a football move (the couple of steps after the catch) he did not maintain possesion through the fall to the ground. He dropped the catch as soon as he hit the ground. Although his knee was down possession was ruled not to be maintained through the entirety of the catch.

Again, in my opinion, it should be ruled as a catch but i understand why it is not ruled that way.
Interesting also is the way this rule can extend the playing field several yards past the line for out of bounds. The play continues to unfold even thoufg the player and the ball may be ten feet of the playing field. This opens a big can of worms.
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Bad rule, as is fumble into endzone being a touchback. Control of ball thru football move should not be negated by ground causing fumble. Likewise fumble into end zone should be like fumble forward out of bounds, placed at the spot of the fumble, or perhaps at the extra point mark, with retained possession.
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I believe this should have been ruled a catch but i can tell you why it wasn't...

It has been labled as the Calvin Johnson rule. He has been hit with it twice we has caught a wide open touchdown and as soon as he caught it he placed the ball on the ground. The refs and the replay officials ruled that it was an incomplete pass because he did not maintain possession throughout the catch.

Move to the Auburn-GA game. Again, I believe that the catch in the first quarter should have been ruled a catch but it was ruled an incompletion. There was no offical ruling from the official other than incomplete. If you watch that replay it was the same thing that happened to Shaq. Although he made a football move (the couple of steps after the catch) he did not maintain possesion through the fall to the ground. He dropped the catch as soon as he hit the ground. Although his knee was down possession was ruled not to be maintained through the entirety of the catch.

Again, in my opinion, it should be ruled as a catch but i understand why it is not ruled that way.
beat me to it, they are ruling he didn't "complete the catch."
So basically they said that he was falling as he caught the ball and didn't maintain possession as he hit the ground. I am not a huge fan of this rule but that's the rule
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