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Old 12-07-2013, 09:42 AM   #461
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He said there was other DNA found in her underwear in addition to Winston......and she did not have alcohol or drugs in her system.....
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He said there was other DNA found in her underwear in addition to Winston......and she did not have alcohol or drugs in her system.....
What was crazy was she said she had set with her boyfriend but then refused to identify him
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Pretty much......and sad thing is, it seems like in this country you are innocent until proven guilty....unless a woman claims rape
Actually in this country if you claim rape, especially against a famous person, you are a slut who regretted having sex the next morning.

The 'she knew it was Winston thing' doesn't make sense because she would have reported his name at the initial report.

If those reports are to be believed, the presence of blood is often an indicator of assault. However, there may be chain of custody questions about whether those DNA results are admissible. They were not originally gathered by the police at the time she reported the attack.

What I find interesting is how people are attacking this girl's claim because she said her attacker was 5'9"- which is false. She said he was 6'2"- pretty close to Winston's 6'4". The shorter person was the guy at the bar.

People say that .048 is not enough to be drunk. True. But the alleged assault took place at 1:30. She left the bar somewhere between 1 and 1:30. She reported the incident at 4:30. We do not know when she had her last drink and how long she was with the TPD before her labs were drawn. On average your BAC drops 0.015 per hour. So she could have had upward of .07 at the time and she could have been on her way down from something higher. I know people who are wasted at 0.08 and less and I know people who are fine at 0.10 and higher. So, this is really a moot point.

They say her lack of memory is questionable. If her story is true, if you were whisked away to a place with someone you didn't know and attacked what would you remember. People experiencing trauma have varying memories of the trauma. Some remember faces, places, colors, others remember smells or temperatures. But the experience varies for everyone.

They say her texts contradict her story. Her texts read like someone who is upset. The 'I need answers' text could be anything, could be getting info to tell the police about the perp or to make up a better story.

Our justice system is the one that maintains a person's presumption of innocence. However trials do not find a person innocent, they merely render them guilty or not guilty of the charges. There is a difference. OJ Simpson was found not guilty. Was he innocent?

And the big thing here is that Rape is one of the more difficult crimes to get a conviction in. It is a waste of taxpayers resources to go to trial with a case that will probably not result in a conviction. That is the burden of proof that prosecutors use. Time elapsed in the investigation, the media frenzy surrounding it, difficulty in finding impartial jurors, all contribute to the decision.

Based on what they had, it appears that they made the right decision to not press charges. However it does not mean Winston is innocent or guilty and it does not mean the accuser lied.
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Actually in this country if you claim rape, especially against a famous person, you are a slut who regretted having sex the next morning.

The 'she knew it was Winston thing' doesn't make sense because she would have reported his name at the initial report.

If those reports are to be believed, the presence of blood is often an indicator of assault. However, there may be chain of custody questions about whether those DNA results are admissible. They were not originally gathered by the police at the time she reported the attack.

What I find interesting is how people are attacking this girl's claim because she said her attacker was 5'9"- which is false. She said he was 6'2"- pretty close to Winston's 6'4". The shorter person was the guy at the bar.

People say that .048 is not enough to be drunk. True. But the alleged assault took place at 1:30. She left the bar somewhere between 1 and 1:30. She reported the incident at 4:30. We do not know when she had her last drink and how long she was with the TPD before her labs were drawn. On average your BAC drops 0.015 per hour. So she could have had upward of .07 at the time and she could have been on her way down from something higher. I know people who are wasted at 0.08 and less and I know people who are fine at 0.10 and higher. So, this is really a moot point.

They say her lack of memory is questionable. If her story is true, if you were whisked away to a place with someone you didn't know and attacked what would you remember. People experiencing trauma have varying memories of the trauma. Some remember faces, places, colors, others remember smells or temperatures. But the experience varies for everyone.

They say her texts contradict her story. Her texts read like someone who is upset. The 'I need answers' text could be anything, could be getting info to tell the police about the perp or to make up a better story.

Our justice system is the one that maintains a person's presumption of innocence. However trials do not find a person innocent, they merely render them guilty or not guilty of the charges. There is a difference. OJ Simpson was found not guilty. Was he innocent?

And the big thing here is that Rape is one of the more difficult crimes to get a conviction in. It is a waste of taxpayers resources to go to trial with a case that will probably not result in a conviction. That is the burden of proof that prosecutors use. Time elapsed in the investigation, the media frenzy surrounding it, difficulty in finding impartial jurors, all contribute to the decision.

Based on what they had, it appears that they made the right decision to not press charges. However it does not mean Winston is innocent or guilty and it does not mean the accuser lied.
Thank you for a well thought out post which is measured in its response.
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Based on what they had, it appears that they made the right decision to not press charges. However it does not mean Winston is innocent or guilty and it does not mean the accuser lied.
thats not what im saying.....what im saying is in the public eye of America, Jameis is guilty b/c she claimed rape, almost like every other famous male in America would be if a woman claimed rape against them

like it or not, thats the truth
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thats not what im saying.....what im saying is in the public eye of America, Jameis is guilty b/c she claimed rape, almost like every other famous male in America would be if a woman claimed rape against them

like it or not, thats the truth
That's your truth. In this case, it seems like most people have been on the fence the whole time. I think that is the one good outcome of the Duke rape case. Personally I think that both the victim and the accused's identity should be protected in these cases. False rape accusations come in at less than 10%.

However, search the internet, look for Kobe Bryant, Ben Roethlisberger and Jameis Winston. Who is being accused of lying and worse? Not the men listed above, the women. Look at the lengths the FSU faithful went to get this woman's name and sexual history out- Instagram and TMZ.

The news has been very careful to say that he is accused and use alleged. And all they have talked about on ESPN is how it would affect his Heisman chances. Everyone has said that he should win the Heisman unless they press charges. How is that ascertaining his guilt? If they think he is guilty then he would not win the Heisman regardless of charges.

Edit: I used to volunteer as a Victim Advocate. Believe it or not we worked with both victim's and the accused at our network. Our program believed that helping both would help to limit false claims and assist those who have been involved. It lingers for a very long period of time for both parties in many of the date rape cases.
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thats not what im saying.....what im saying is in the public eye of America, Jameis is guilty b/c she claimed rape, almost like every other famous male in America would be if a woman claimed rape against them

like it or not, thats the truth
no he isn't. initially in the 24 hour news cycle we live in yes. however once they say there isn't enough evidence he isn't viewed that way by the majority. sure you will have people on either side argue loudly one way or the other but those are the ones that you said never listen to. if you want people to hear you speak loudly. if you want people to listen to you speak softly. if it had gone to court and he would been acquitted at trial then you may be right more people would have viewed him as guilty
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Heraldo investigated the case and said on Fox news last night,this is real bad.He said this guy is getting away with rape.The state attorney was a fla. st. law school grad and a big time donor.Sounds to me an awful lot like the two guys that picked her up from the bar were paying him off(with leg)to come to fla. st. Remember Tenn.?
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If JW was charged, Geraldo would spin the story and say he was innocent but JW is innocent so Geraldo is saying he's guilty. Geraldo can't be taken seriously!
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Eddie Griffin nailed it!

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Eddie's totally wrong.

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C'mon now look at SpecOps posting habits.

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Attorney for Winston's accuser calls for Florida Attorney General to conduct independent investigation into State Attorney, Tallahassee PD.

Patricia Carroll says that family/accuser is not looking at filing a civil lawsuit right now against Jameis Winston. "Premature," she said

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Patricia Carroll says that family/accuser is not looking at filing a civil lawsuit right now against Jameis Winston. "Premature," she said

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Jameis was premature? That would explain a woman's ire.
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I try to be cute on here as much as anybody else, but is this really the right topic for that?
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It made me chuckle, and it's not against ct rules so.....
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In a couple of years, I think Jameis is going to find out that may have been the most expensive blow job in the history of earth. She'll definitely end up filing a civil suit against him and there is probably ample evidence here for her to get a check and him to settle out of court.
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