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Old 12-09-2013, 05:16 PM   #21
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no problem with a max of two teams from the same conference in a 4 team playoff. if we eventually go to a 8 team playoff which i think should be the max, it should be top 4 ranked conference champs and 4 at large. one of the 4 at large could be a conference champ though. or even top 5 conference champs and 3 at large. obviously no conference limit though, you want every team in the playoff to truly earn their spot whether its being a conference champ or being one of the best teams in the country, not getting in on a technicality.
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Old 12-09-2013, 05:24 PM   #22
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I don't care how many Teams are in it. My concern is if its a 4 Team playoff you take the 4 best Teams. If three of those 4 Teams come out of one conference then thats how it should be. I agree with one of the post in that the committee is not going to be a friend of the SEC.
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Daughter of a coach. Provost at Stanford. Little thing called Secretary of State. She's one of my favorite people on the committee. It's almost like she would be able to look at things from a critical angle with no real bias.
Not to mention the woman knows a shitload about football.

But to many, no one should be on the committee that never played/coached. And God forbid the non player/coach be a woman. (Yeah...I went there.)
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I think 12 teams but could do 16 this way. You giving 6 auto bids to BCS leagues, 2 auto bids to highest BCS ranked non BCS teams than remaining 4 (12 teams) - 8 (16 teams) slots to whoever are the next 4 highest BCS ranked teams no mater conference affiliation.

Keep the small bowls for other teams. Use BCS bowls cotton and another big bowl for the round of 8 and on. Have a moving site like NFL does fit champ game big just reusing bowl sites. Do first round at home site of higher ranked team. This would also keep the integrity of week to week momentum and game planning. Bowl games are so weird when teams lose their flow over 50 day break and way too much time to game plan.
This is what the breakup of the BCS system is supposed to try to do
away with. Most people think this same way, but I'm Sorry it's just wrong to
say the Winner of Any conference should automatically be qualified to
enter a post season tournament limited to 4 spots (right now), and
hopefully 6-8 later on. .. Expanding it beyond 8 (IMO) is simply catering
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complaining and crying about not having a shot. ... The committee
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bid crap. They're supposed to look at it from all angles and determine who
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didn't win their "SO CALLED" big conference. .. How many years has
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game against "seemingly" lower ranked teams ? ... There may come a
time years down the line when just being the SEC champion isn't deserving
to be in a four team playoff system, because 3 teams from the Big 12
or Pac 10 may be much better teams than the SEC Champion. ... This
is why I say, they are moving in the right direction with a more than 2
team championship, but you need AT LEAST 6 (perfect at 8) for a
legitimate True Championship Tourney. ... Forget about "team that won
their conference" .. That's where the biggest Jumble F*** in the BCS
bowl selection matchups occured. .. Just pick the best 4 (6 or 8) best
teams in the country and let them decide it on the field.
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How many people have enough money to go to 3 games in 3 weeks in different cities? Assuming 8 teams. I think if you go above 4, you're going to have to play home games in round 1 and maybe round 2 which would piss the bowls off.
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That rumor is just a pile of crap. The committee will make their own top 25 rankings and at the end of the regular season the top four teams in that ranking will be in the playoff. I'm pretty confident that the committee would rank the top three the same as we see now in the BCS rankings. The big controversy will be who is ranked 4 and 5.

If it was starting this year we would be in the Orange bowl instead of clemson.
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Daughter of a coach. Provost at Stanford. Little thing called Secretary of State. She's one of my favorite people on the committee. It's almost like she would be able to look at things from a critical angle with no real bias.
I understand her political qualifications and her role as provost of academics at Stanford. But what does that have to do with football? There are plenty of qualified women who have served as administrators in football that I would fully support being on this committee.
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Not to mention the woman knows a shitload about football.

But to many, no one should be on the committee that never played/coached. And God forbid the non player/coach be a woman. (Yeah...I went there.)
My criticism has nothing to do with Rice being a woman. There are plenty of qualified women who have been administrators in football and college sports. Rice has some great political and academic qualifications. Yet, I fail to see how serving as Sec. of State, as fantastic as that is, automatically qualifies someone for a college football playoff committee. I would rather see women who have served as athletic directors and college sports administrators.
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Basically, the shitty Big Ten wants to control everything
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This is what the breakup of the BCS system is supposed to try to do
away with. Most people think this same way, but I'm Sorry it's just wrong to
say the Winner of Any conference should automatically be qualified to
enter a post season tournament limited to 4 spots (right now), and
hopefully 6-8 later on. .. Expanding it beyond 8 (IMO) is simply catering
to some of those lower tier teams in lower tier conference who will start
complaining and crying about not having a shot. ... The committee
that is being put together is SUPPOSED to do away with all this "automatic"
bid crap. They're supposed to look at it from all angles and determine who
the best teams in the country are, and that may well be teams that
didn't win their "SO CALLED" big conference. .. How many years has
the ACC Champion gotten T-TOTALLY ROUTED in a post season bowl
game against "seemingly" lower ranked teams ? .
.. There may come a
time years down the line when just being the SEC champion isn't deserving
to be in a four team playoff system, because 3 teams from the Big 12
or Pac 10 may be much better teams than the SEC Champion. ... This
is why I say, they are moving in the right direction with a more than 2
team championship, but you need AT LEAST 6 (perfect at 8) for a
legitimate True Championship Tourney. ... Forget about "team that won
their conference" .. That's where the biggest Jumble F*** in the BCS
bowl selection matchups occured. .. Just pick the best 4 (6 or 8) best
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This is what the breakup of the BCS system is supposed to try to do
away with. Most people think this same way, but I'm Sorry it's just wrong to
say the Winner of Any conference should automatically be qualified to
enter a post season tournament limited to 4 spots (right now), and
hopefully 6-8 later on. .. Expanding it beyond 8 (IMO) is simply catering
to some of those lower tier teams in lower tier conference who will start
complaining and crying about not having a shot. ... The committee
that is being put together is SUPPOSED to do away with all this "automatic"
bid crap. They're supposed to look at it from all angles and determine who
the best teams in the country are, and that may well be teams that
didn't win their "SO CALLED" big conference. .. How many years has
the ACC Champion gotten T-TOTALLY ROUTED in a post season bowl
game against "seemingly" lower ranked teams ? ... There may come a
time years down the line when just being the SEC champion isn't deserving
to be in a four team playoff system, because 3 teams from the Big 12
or Pac 10 may be much better teams than the SEC Champion. ... This
is why I say, they are moving in the right direction with a more than 2
team championship, but you need AT LEAST 6 (perfect at 8) for a
legitimate True Championship Tourney. ... Forget about "team that won
their conference" .. That's where the biggest Jumble F*** in the BCS
bowl selection matchups occured. .. Just pick the best 4 (6 or 8) best
teams in the country and let them decide it on the field.
While I understand your point I do not agree for a couple reasons. By allowing AQ you allow all major schools a legitimate shot at the title, just like basketball tourney. Also I hate the idea of a committee an without this type of structure they will do a committee to prevent lawsuits over monopoly issues and such. Another reason, there is no way that all these conferences would agree to a playoff system without such accommodations. Lastly, I think that reputation could deny valid teams from an opportunity from a chance at the title.
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That rumor is just a pile of crap. The committee will make their own top 25 rankings and at the end of the regular season the top four teams in that ranking will be in the playoff. I'm pretty confident that the committee would rank the top three the same as we see now in the BCS rankings. The big controversy will be who is ranked 4 and 5.

If it was starting this year we would be in the Orange bowl instead of clemson.
No we wouldn't.
Because the orange bowl still has the tie in of ACC vs Big Ten/SEC or ND.

So the orange bowl would be Clemson vs OSU, us or
Mizzou.
And seeing that we played them the last week of the season, I doubt they'd pick us.
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They are talking about it being only open to conference champions at least in the first few years. That is a some bs. I am in favor of 6 teams not 8, or 12, or 16. Give 1 and 2 a first round bye. It makes the regular season mean more by having to play 1 less game
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No we wouldn't.
Because the orange bowl still has the tie in of ACC vs Big Ten/SEC or ND.

So the orange bowl would be Clemson vs OSU, us or
Mizzou.
And seeing that we played them the last week of the season, I doubt they'd pick us.
Clemson is not ranked high enough to make any of the major bowls under the new playoff format. Using current rankings and the new playoff system there would be 4 SEC teams and we would be in either the Orange or Peach.
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My criticism has nothing to do with Rice being a woman. There are plenty of qualified women who have been administrators in football and college sports. Rice has some great political and academic qualifications. Yet, I fail to see how serving as Sec. of State, as fantastic as that is, automatically qualifies someone for a college football playoff committee. I would rather see women who have served as athletic directors and college sports administrators.
If you want an unbiased and fair decision made about the 4 teams for a playoff, you should be thrilled about the fact that among the "football" people is someone that has experience looking at data and making decisions. Not to mention she also was a provost at a university, so I'd imagine she'd know the academic/budget side of everything. I guess the fact that she's a football fan and grew up around the game is just a bonus.
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allow more than two Teams from any one Conference. If the SEC stands for that they are foolish. This is why the formed a committee so they can keep more than two SEC Teams from getting in. This is no more than Political garbage if true but if you think about it that's all the committee can be created for. I mean it's obvious that 1 should play 4 and 2 plays 3 but evidently that is at the discretion of this " new " committee.
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See below. The selection of the final 4 teams will be made without limits on the number of teams per conference.

Bowl selections

The four-team bracket will pit the No. 1-ranked team against No. 4 and No. 2 vs. No. 3. The selection committee will seed the two semifinal games to prevent the top two seeds from playing in a "road" environment. There will be no limits on the number of teams per conference, in a change from previous BCS rules. Bowl selections will not be determined by conference "automatic qualifier" berths, as used in the BCS, though there will be conference tie-ins for certain non-semifinal bowl games along with an annual guaranteed spot for a mid-major representative.
In years when the bowls are not part of the playoff bracket, the highest-ranked non-playoff teams from the following conferences or groups will be selected as follows:
Rose Bowl Big Ten #1 vs. Pac-12 #1
Sugar Bowl SEC #1 vs. Big 12 #1
Orange Bowl ACC #1 vs. SEC #2, Big Ten #2, or Notre Dame
Cotton Bowl at-large or "Group of Five"
Fiesta Bowl at-large or "Group of Five"
Chick-fil-A Bowl at-large or "Group of Five"
Additional selection criteriaThe highest-ranked champion from the so-called "Group of Five" mid-major conferences (American Athletic Conference, Conference USA, MAC, Mountain West, and Sun Belt) is guaranteed a berth if the group's top team is not in the playoff.
The remaining five at-large bids will be determined by committee rankings.
If the Big Ten or SEC champion is available for a non-playoff bowl in a year when the Rose and Sugar Bowls are hosting semifinals, that team will appear in either the Cotton, Fiesta, or Chick-fil-A bowls, but not the Orange Bowl.
In the Orange Bowl, the SEC and Big Ten are guaranteed at least three appearances during the eight non-playoff years, while Notre Dame can only appear a maximum of twice.
In non-playoff years, if the Orange Bowl matchup creates a regular-season rematch for the ACC representative, the bowl may choose to "skip over" the prescribed opponent from the SEC/Big Ten/Notre Dame group and select the next highest-ranked team from the group. The team that was rejected would be placed in
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I could go for the 12 team, with four first-round byes. either that or 8 teams. but the 4 team will do....for now
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See below. The selection of the final 4 teams will be made without limits on the number of teams per conference.

Bowl selections

The four-team bracket will pit the No. 1-ranked team against No. 4 and No. 2 vs. No. 3. The selection committee will seed the two semifinal games to prevent the top two seeds from playing in a "road" environment. There will be no limits on the number of teams per conference, in a change from previous BCS rules. Bowl selections will not be determined by conference "automatic qualifier" berths, as used in the BCS, though there will be conference tie-ins for certain non-semifinal bowl games along with an annual guaranteed spot for a mid-major representative.
In years when the bowls are not part of the playoff bracket, the highest-ranked non-playoff teams from the following conferences or groups will be selected as follows:
Rose Bowl Big Ten #1 vs. Pac-12 #1
Sugar Bowl SEC #1 vs. Big 12 #1
Orange Bowl ACC #1 vs. SEC #2, Big Ten #2, or Notre Dame
Cotton Bowl at-large or "Group of Five"
Fiesta Bowl at-large or "Group of Five"
Chick-fil-A Bowl at-large or "Group of Five"
Additional selection criteriaThe highest-ranked champion from the so-called "Group of Five" mid-major conferences (American Athletic Conference, Conference USA, MAC, Mountain West, and Sun Belt) is guaranteed a berth if the group's top team is not in the playoff.
The remaining five at-large bids will be determined by committee rankings.
If the Big Ten or SEC champion is available for a non-playoff bowl in a year when the Rose and Sugar Bowls are hosting semifinals, that team will appear in either the Cotton, Fiesta, or Chick-fil-A bowls, but not the Orange Bowl.
In the Orange Bowl, the SEC and Big Ten are guaranteed at least three appearances during the eight non-playoff years, while Notre Dame can only appear a maximum of twice.
In non-playoff years, if the Orange Bowl matchup creates a regular-season rematch for the ACC representative, the bowl may choose to "skip over" the prescribed opponent from the SEC/Big Ten/Notre Dame group and select the next highest-ranked team from the group. The team that was rejected would be placed in
So, basically we are stuck with the 4 team play-off for at least eight years. Is that safe to say?

I'll add this. While I'm an advocate for a play-off, the easiest route for us to win the NC was in the BCS. Win the SEC with no more than 1 loss and we were in the NCG. One game, winner takes all. Not after this year, it's going to get harder for us and everyone else, but we had a leg up on a lot of other teams simply because we are in the SEC. Oh well, back to the old drawing board. Maybe we'll have better luck in the new system.
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While I understand your point I do not agree for a couple reasons. By allowing AQ you allow all major schools a legitimate shot at the title, just like basketball tourney. Also I hate the idea of a committee an without this type of structure they will do a committee to prevent lawsuits over monopoly issues and such. Another reason, there is no way that all these conferences would agree to a playoff system without such accommodations. Lastly, I think that reputation could deny valid teams from an opportunity from a chance at the title.
You should check into the recent meetings of the heads of Conferences on
why they are currently expanding and developing the so called Super
Conferences. The MAJOR reason is to eventually pull away from the NCAA
to separate themselves from the mid / lower tier Div 1AA teams that are
currently "holding hostage" a lot of decisions (athletic, academic, and just
general political) made within the current college structure. The large
schools are basically held to the same standards as schools like MTSU,
Fla Atlantic, Eastern Mich, Bowling Green Etc... Simply because they
threaten to sue at every turn if the NCAA allows the "Big Schools" more
say in any matter that comes up for vote, even though they contribute less than
20% of what those bigger schools do. It's the ONLY reason Northern
Illinois was allowed to participate in the BCS bowl games last year, and
the BCS (who claims that all their selection guidelines are totally unbiased
and mostly computer generated) made sure that NI made it into the top
14 in the BCS simply to give them a BCS bowl bid because No. Ill. threatened
to sue if they weren't allowed in . If (as you say) this new selection
committee forms committees to prevent such law suits under this new
system, and tries to make this new structure "fair" to those lower tier
teams, then you will eventually see the SEC, ACC, BIG 10, BIG 12 and
the PAC 10 form their own governing body, and pull away from even this
new format. Schools like UT, Texas, Alabama, Fla State etc... are tired
of being held to the same standards as schools like Miami Oh, North TX
State and the likes now. It may still happen even if the new system works
out and even IF they expand it to 6 or 8 teams in the future. ... This
formation of a new level in College Football has already begun and may
well happen in the near future. ...... What you and some call Fair, is
simply a different way of calling the playoffs an Affirmative Action System.
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