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Old 12-09-2013, 09:56 PM   #61
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Just looked at it... It's currently a pick em. Lots of early $$ on us...
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Default Re: Early line - Wiscy -3

Thespread.com has us as a 1 point favorite after starting out as 2.5 point underdogs.
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Old 12-10-2013, 06:37 PM   #63
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Looks like some jumped on what appeared to a mistake for an opening spread. Bet it settles down at between -0.5-1.5 Gamecocks.
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Old 12-10-2013, 06:39 PM   #64
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Vegas Sucker bets if ive ever seen one. Their body of work is atrocious. Carolina -17
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Looks like some jumped on what appeared to a mistake for an opening spread. Bet it settles down at between -0.5-1.5 Gamecocks.
I'd of guessed Carolina -7 or 8. But if you trust Sagarin, then UW -2 is in accord with the original Vegas line. He has Wisconsin at 88.41 and South Carolina at 86.30.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/2013/team/

I think the bettors were smart taking the two points when they could. South Carolina (or any team with a decent passing game for that matter) is a tough match for Wisconsin this season.
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Last I saw the Vegas Line is Wis -1 to Pickem.

I like the underdog as Bulletin Board material.
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I'd of guessed Carolina -7 or 8. But if you trust Sagarin, then UW -2 is in accord with the original Vegas line. He has Wisconsin at 88.41 and South Carolina at 86.30.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/2013/team/

I think the bettors were smart taking the two points when they could. South Carolina (or any team with a decent passing game for that matter) is a tough match for Wisconsin this season.
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Default Re: Early line - Wiscy -3

I don't understand why our fans think our team overlooks games. I'm sure they take every team seriously. Why shouldn't the Gamecocks be as hyped about this game as Wisconsin?
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This game is a bad match for us. Our young lbs will struggle to get off blocks. They are just too inexperienced. We need great dline play and blitz packages.
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This game is a bad match for us. Our young lbs will struggle to get off blocks. They are just too inexperienced. We need great dline play and blitz packages.
I think we'll be okay. Our LB are better than you think. We'll be able to stack the box and get some penetration.
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Default Re: Early line - Wiscy -3

From my understanding, the line is made by the people betting. If more people are betting on SC to win, the line moves in their direction.
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This game is a bad match for us. Our young lbs will struggle to get off blocks. They are just too inexperienced. We need great dline play and blitz packages.
They've had all season to get experience. If that can't get off of blocks at this point, it's for other reasons. Inexperience is a tired excuse.
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Bookies probably remember our game against Shon Greene. Not sure why people are upset about the oddsmaking, though, since the only thing that counts is what happens on the field.
I don't bet, but my understanding is that Vegas has gone all high tech and uses computer models as a baseline; then they'll adjust by a few points based on subjective factors like the B1G being a weaker conference.

But, presumably somebody told the computer that our QB - Joel Stave - appears to be wearing a blindfold on six to ten plays per game? Not sure how the computer figures that into the equation, lol... Maybe that got overlooked?

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I use www.betus.com, which by the way is an awesome site for online betting.

They just added our game today to the list and they have it as a pickem. Which for the non betters, that's even. Which is about where I would personally put the game. Which also says it should be one hell of a game. All the other bowl games at this time has a favorite one way or another.
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Old 12-11-2013, 06:04 PM   #75
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who cares, it's a line. Lines are made for Vegas to make money if I remember correctly. We will be just fine
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Old 12-12-2013, 09:38 PM   #76
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Default Re: Early line - Wiscy -3

I know it's all about money...but how does a 17-18th ranked team now get favored by one point to win?
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Default Re: Early line - Wiscy -3

When it was announced that WI would play TCU in the Rose Bowl, I was certain that WI would be favored. The spread was TCU -2 and TCU ended up winning by 2.

I understand that this has no bearing on this year or this game, but I thought I'd share.
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I know it's all about money...but how does a 17-18th ranked team now get favored by one point to win?
The standard polls don't really have any impact on where books set lines. Big books (i.e. Vegas) use computer models to try to objectively rank teams. They all have their own set of "rankings" that are used for setting lines. They do take other things into account like public perception.

Lines do move if they are getting "hammered" by incoming bets. However, books don't try to set up the line to get 50/50 bets on each side, which is a common misconception. They just shift the bet to cover their ends a little bit.

FWIW most books I've seen now have moved the line to around a pick'em (essentially zero point spread). This is not terribly shocking to me as most probably glance at the matchup and are surprised that a 10-2 SEC team ranked in the top 10 isn't favored against the 3rd or 4th best Big Ten team.

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I use www.betus.com, which by the way is an awesome site for online betting.

They just added our game today to the list and they have it as a pickem. Which for the non betters, that's even. Which is about where I would personally put the game. Which also says it should be one hell of a game. All the other bowl games at this time has a favorite one way or another.
I see that site has the O/U at 51.

That seems too low to me. Maybe way too low.
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