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Old 12-18-2013, 12:10 AM   #81
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The state of SC bball is a sad sad affair.... I don't even want to know how many people were there tonight. I was at Cock N Bull looking for the game on TV but came to this thread and realized it was only on radio. The semester is already over and we never get students to go to bball games anyway so I bet it was awful.
I was there. 25% full, and that's being generous. The mood was so incredibly grim from the staff to the fans to the players. Hell, the cheerleaders didn't look like they wanted to be there.

From a basketball perspective, Johnson needs to attack and facilitate the offense more. Most every play was just him dribbling at mid-court for 20 seconds and then trying to drive to the basket or making a contested pass.

And Thornwell had flashes of greatness but he needs to be more aggressive. He was too timid and disappeared for stretches. But when he decided to go he was special.

OH and the Manhattan coach is a jackass and their PG Alvarado was palming the ball nearly every time he dribbled and it was never called.
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Old 12-18-2013, 12:19 AM   #82
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Martin is going to find out like Horn did that you can't win with unskilled but above average athletes and emphasize "defense" here. You have got to sacrifice defense for scoring and shooters. We won't get the kind of athletes that excel in man to man defense.
Yeah, I mean you can't say it any better. Shooting wins.
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Old 12-18-2013, 12:21 AM   #83
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I was there. And it was pathetic. Outside of Thornwell, we have no good basketball players
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Old 12-18-2013, 12:31 AM   #84
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Disappointing. Thought we would win a 5-7 point game against them. Damn sure didn't think they would blow us out in our own building. Look like it will be rockier than most of us thought, but I still believe Martin will get things turned around eventually.
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Old 12-18-2013, 12:41 AM   #85
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If somehow it doesn't work out with Frank, which I hope it works out great. I hope Tanner doesn't make the same mistake Hyman did.
I don't think we would...but at the same time, I think Marshall will be at a big program this time next year...I don't see him still at Wichita State much longer
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He's been awful since he started doing football and basketball together. He's just out there for leadership and stability.
Yeah I don't understand why we allow him to come in and play basketball and we act like he is a great ball player, he was good in high school, but you can't expect the chemistry to be there missing all that practice, and he isn't good, he for sure isn't and hasn't ever at Carolina been better than any of the PG's we have now. He is a damn good football player and a smart kid, and I would love to eat crow on this but it frustrates me he is playing basketball.
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We sure played bad tonight, but I'm going to be patient with Frank as he's a proven commodity. The Jaspers have practiced their free throws since last year. ;)
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Marshall just felt like more of the natural fit.
He should have been the coach when we hired Horn and we should have paid him what ever he wanted to be the coach now.

Everything about the entire situation was and still is a more natural fit. We will never get him now but I have been saying this for close to a decade now and we have sucked balls for most of that decade.
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Damn, down by 5 with 11 to go and get blown out at home. Must be the lack of experience. Looks like this year will be another wash, unless we have some kind of miraculous turnaround.
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the offense is clueless as to how to attack a zone. We do nothing but foul on defense. Lazy turnovers on offense, getting outrebounded, losing the free throw battle, it's just miserable
Sounds like the story of the basketball program the past 3-4 years.
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Martin is going to find out like Horn did that you can't win with unskilled but above average athletes and emphasize "defense" here. You have got to sacrifice defense for scoring and shooters. We won't get the kind of athletes that excel in man to man defense.
Horn did sacrifice defense for scoring and shooters. He recruited:

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All of them were advertised as scorers who could stretch the floor with their jump shot. None of them besides maybe Bruce could defend a chair though and none of their shooting/scoring translated to college. Galloway blossomed when he left Horn.
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I was there. 25% full, and that's being generous. The mood was so incredibly grim from the staff to the fans to the players. Hell, the cheerleaders didn't look like they wanted to be there.

From a basketball perspective, Johnson needs to attack and facilitate the offense more. Most every play was just him dribbling at mid-court for 20 seconds and then trying to drive to the basket or making a contested pass.

And Thornwell had flashes of greatness but he needs to be more aggressive. He was too timid and disappeared for stretches. But when he decided to go he was special.

OH and the Manhattan coach is a jackass and their PG Alvarado was palming the ball nearly every time he dribbled and it was never called.
I still don't understand why the marketing department and school can't convince people to go to a basketball game anymore. It's sad. We have an awesome venue and one of the best coaches in college basketball.

I feel like the school messed up hard by embracing the "football is the only thing that matters" mindset of students.

Basketball is the one sport where homecourt advantage means the most. How is anyone supposed to win a meaningful game playing in front of 1/4 of Colonial Life?
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I still have faith in Martin, but if Tanner was already the AD before Horn was canned, would he have gone after Marshall?
Marshall is a fantastic coach, but I don't think many people realize how lucky South Carolina is to have Frank Martin as their basketball coach right now.

Keep in mind that the state of South Carolina isn't exactly a hot bed for hoops and our program has been awful the past 15 years. Yet, when you drive down the interstate or downtown Columbia, there's Frank's face on a billboard for Gamecock Basketball.

Martin went 117-54 in a tough Big 12 from 2007-12. He made the NCAA Tournament 4 times and made it to the Sweet 16 or further 3 times. Do you know how many major programs would kill to have him right now? This is one of the youngest teams in the SEC and we still have another 4-star recruit coming in next season, give it some time.
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I went to the game last night and it looks like we still run Darrin Horn's "shit the bed" offense. Our PG dribbles the ball for 20 seconds while no one moves around, then we have to jack a bad shot to beat the shot clock.

Michael Carrera is obviously our best player. Why is he on the bench so much?
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Probably because Carrera plays too out of control. He'll make a good play on offense then foul a 3-point shooter the next possession.
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I still don't understand why the marketing department and school can't convince people to go to a basketball game anymore. It's sad. We have an awesome venue and one of the best coaches in college basketball.

I feel like the school messed up hard by embracing the "football is the only thing that matters" mindset of students.

Basketball is the one sport where homecourt advantage means the most. How is anyone supposed to win a meaningful game playing in front of 1/4 of Colonial Life?

Win and they will come.
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I went to the game last night and it looks like we still run Darrin Horn's "shit the bed" offense. Our PG dribbles the ball for 20 seconds while no one moves around, then we have to jack a bad shot to beat the shot clock.

Michael Carrera is obviously our best player. Why is he on the bench so much?

If Carrera is our best player, we are in trouble. Not bashing Carrera. I love the intensity he brings. But that's what he is. A guy who's gonna hustle, take a charge and grab a few rebounds. Hopefully this team will improve as the season goes on.
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If Carrera is our best player, we are in trouble. Not bashing Carrera. I love the intensity he brings. But that's what he is. A guy who's gonna hustle, take a charge and grab a few rebounds. Hopefully this team will improve as the season goes on.

Thats just my opinion having watched last night. He hustles and shows like he is playing at 110%. Thornwell and Carerra seemed like the only guys who belonged on the court last night. Even Ellignton was playing poorly and normally he is very smart with the basketball.
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Win and they will come.
So then Gamecock fans are fairweather? It's more like come to the games and we will win. I guarantee if 15,000 or so packed Colonial Life each home game, you would start to see things changing.

Duke is nothing without their homecourt environment.

There's no way we win that game against Kentucky in front of 3,000 fans. People just need to support the team for once.
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