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Old 12-26-2013, 08:23 PM   #1
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what do you guys think of the guy? for those who don't follow the NFL closely, he is the head coach for the Detroit Lions.

he inherited an 0-16 team in 2009, the teams record under him since that time is 29-50. however, the record the last three seasons is 21-26.

the guy has the talent to work with. some of his players include Matthew Stafford, Calvin (Megatron) Johnson, Reggie Bush, Nick Fairley, and Devin Taylor.

they have lost 5 of their last 6 games, and most of them have been after having a fair sized lead. they also have only been losing games by just a few points.


do you think the guy has been a major improvment for them, and just needs more time to build, since he is trending in the right direction over the last few years. also, since some of these loses are the result of only one or two plays?

do you think that he has enough talent there now, and should at least be making the playoffs, as well as winning these games after having such good leads.

I mean the Giants came back and beat them!

if you were the Fords, and owned the team, what would you do?
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Old 12-26-2013, 08:47 PM   #2
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How long has he got left on his contract ?
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How long has he got left on his contract ?
got 2 years left for a total of $12 million dollars. the Fords can buy him out and never blink an eye, if they want to.
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He's taken them as far as he's going to. Way too much talent on this team to be collapsing like they do.
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Old 12-26-2013, 09:06 PM   #5
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He's taken them as far as he's going to. Way too much talent on this team to be collapsing like they do.
You're probably right Mule ! But I think I'd let him coach out his contract. He has had a tough row to hoe, and has forged some improvement, but as the OP stated, he's toting a losing skid that shouldn't be.
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Old 12-26-2013, 09:08 PM   #6
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I think their problem is what Reggie Bush said. They just aren't playing the game with discipline. Too many of the guys on that team are "me" guys and not "team" guys. If Schwartz survives the current hot seat, he's likely going to have to encourage general mgt to shake the roster up, just a little bit, with a few high profile off season personnel moves to maybe tighten everyone else's butts up.
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Not that good.. Has an abundance of talent, and they can't win a big game to save their lives...
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He's taken them as far as he's going to. Way too much talent on this team to be collapsing like they do.
This^ part of their improvement was Schwartz, but a lot of it was changes in the front office... I don't see Schwartz doing much more with that team (Since he is relatively young, I think he still has a future as an effective head coach, since he has definitely mad a net positive impact on their franchise)
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Oh Detroit.
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I think their problem is what Reggie Bush said. They just aren't playing the game with discipline. Too many of the guys on that team are "me" guys and not "team" guys. If Schwartz survives the current hot seat, he's likely going to have to encourage general mgt to shake the roster up, just a little bit, with a few high profile off season personnel moves to maybe tighten everyone else's butts up.

if they keep playing the way they have been, they will be getting to pick some more high profile guys, and pick them early, LOL!
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Default Re: thoughts on Jim Schwartz

say you were gonna can him. who would you go after as a replacement?

I'm sure he would say no, but Gruden would have to be asked. he is very high on them despite their troubles. after he said no, where would you look?
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He's taken them as far as he's going to. Way too much talent on this team to be collapsing like they do.
exactly, factor that into the fact that his team has lead the league in penalties almost every year he has been there (pretty sure this is accurate) and that shows he lacks discipline in his players

now if you going 12-4 every year, no one would care about penalties....but they arent and have way too much talent to be where they are now
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say you were gonna can him. who would you go after as a replacement?

I'm sure he would say no, but Gruden would have to be asked. he is very high on them despite their troubles. after he said no, where would you look?
i know im in the minority here but i dont understand why he is the hottest coaching candidate that always gets mentioned, i dont think he is all that he is made up to be personally

but if i were the lions i would hire Bill O'Brien or David Shaw in a heart beat....if not one of them, i would prb go the route that the phins or bears went in hiring an off path guy that maybe everyone didnt see getting the job, i think both those coaches have done a great job so far
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he's not a good coach, i would not extend his contract once it expires
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They need aqb that doesn't mske wtf reads. Sure, Stafford makes some good reads, but then he throws and you are wondering wtf was that?
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Lovie Smith would be a terrific fit. That being said id give Jim one more crack at it. This was their one chance to get the NFC north title and they couldnt do it. Good luck the next few years with Rodgers and a young talented Bears team.
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say you were gonna can him. who would you go after as a replacement?

I'm sure he would say no, but Gruden would have to be asked. he is very high on them despite their troubles. after he said no, where would you look?

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They need aqb that doesn't mske wtf reads. Sure, Stafford makes some good reads, but then he throws and you are wondering wtf was that?

of course I'm biased since he's an UGA guy, but I feel I bring a pretty good point.

does he F it up sometimes? yeah, he does. some of that sidearm crap is stupid, and needs to be addressed. to go along with some of the stupid reads and mechanics, he would be a top canidate for one of the strongest arms in the leauge, though. he also can blister the defense when he gets going.

more than any other telling reason to stay with him is Calvin Johnsons receiving records, and stats that are compared to Jerry Rice. Stafford has been the guy delivering the pig for Calvin to get those numbers.

some may say that its Calvin making Stafford look good. However, Jerry Rice also did this for a guy who is considered by many to be the GOAT QB in the NFL.

Stafford is fine, he just needs someone to keep a leash on his mechanics. much in the same way that Cam Cameron did for Mettenberger.
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what do you guys think of the guy? for those who don't follow the NFL closely, he is the head coach for the Detroit Lions.

he inherited an 0-16 team in 2009, the teams record under him since that time is 29-50. however, the record the last three seasons is 21-26.

the guy has the talent to work with. some of his players include Matthew Stafford, Calvin (Megatron) Johnson, Reggie Bush, Nick Fairley, and Devin Taylor.

they have lost 5 of their last 6 games, and most of them have been after having a fair sized lead. they also have only been losing games by just a few points.


do you think the guy has been a major improvment for them, and just needs more time to build, since he is trending in the right direction over the last few years. also, since some of these loses are the result of only one or two plays?

do you think that he has enough talent there now, and should at least be making the playoffs, as well as winning these games after having such good leads.

I mean the Giants came back and beat them!

if you were the Fords, and owned the team, what would you do?
I question Bush and Bell as legitimate RB.....and who else do they have catching passes besides Megatron......and I think Stafford hears footsteps. Losing close games in the 4th quarter is on the coaches for the most part. Good teams win more than their share in the 4th quarter.....Dallas and Romo come to mind.
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