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Old 12-27-2013, 03:50 PM   #12901
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The biggest news is how much he has improved our players grades and our APR since he's been on campus. GPA's have gone through the roof and we avoided an APR bowl ban.
If true, that's great for the players and the program. Not every guy gets big NFL money, hopefully these guys are taking advantage of the free education.

Now, if the GPA's have risen because of UNC-style academcs, or what supposedly previously happened at UT with players taking sham classes, then shame on Butch.
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13.9.1 Letter of Intent – Limitation. Each SEC member institution is limited to signing 25 football prospective student-athletes to a National Letter of Intent, Conference financial aid agreement and/or institutional offer of athletics financial aid from December 1 through May 31st of each year. [Adopted 5/29/09; effective immediately; revised 6/3/11; effective August 1, 2011]


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The dates are critical, because the SEC bylaw collides with a new NCAA rules interpretation that impacted this recruiting cycle. Academically eligible student-athletes who plan to enroll early (in January) are now allowed to sign aid agreements with universities as early as Aug. 1.

Tennessee had a flood of players sign aid agreements last month — perhaps a half-dozen players or more. Why is this significant? By the letter of the law, those players wouldn’t count against the SEC’s signing limit. They’re freebies, if you will.

Now, make no mistake: This loophole, if it’s real, doesn’t affect the scholarship limitations. But it would give Tennessee more flexibility than teams that haven’t yet discovered the loophole.

For example, let’s say five players sign aid agreements before Dec. 1, 2013, and enroll at UT in January.

UT can count back at least five scholarships against 2013 because that year’s class was under the 25-man limit. So that’s now 10 that wouldn’t count against the SEC signing limit

Jones has said he wants to welcome 14 mid-year enrollees in January. If the Vols were able take 10 of those players “off the books” for the purposes of the SEC signing rule, they could sign another 21 players to traditional Letters of Intent in February.

Grand total? 35.

Here is some more info:
http://www.ajc.com/weblogs/college-r...ing-loopholes/

What about those two loopholes?
The first has to do with the financial-aid agreements. Under the SEC’s “over-signing” bylaw (which went into effect around two years ago), schools are limited to signing 25 prospective student-athletes (PSAs) to a National Letter of Intent and financial aid from Dec. 1 to May 31 each year. This year, a new NCAA interpretation allowed kids who have been approved to enroll early to sign financial-aid agreements beginning on Aug. 1. According to Woodberry, the first loophole could be kids who signed before Dec. 1. “They’re freebies, if you will.”
The second possible loophole has to do with “blue-shirting.” Here’s Woodberry’s explanation: “Officially, a player arrives in the summer as a walk-on. Once football practice begins, he’s awarded a scholarship. The school is allowed to count the scholarship forward — against the 2015 class — but the player can play immediately. There’s a big catch: The student-athlete may not have been recruited, as defined by NCAA bylaws. That means no official visit to campus, no in-home visits from coaches, no signed National Letter of Intent or athletic aid.”
"Over-signing" is when a college signs more football recruits than scholarships available.
Again, all of this is just speculation as Jones has not publicly revealed his strategy. If true, however, it would not be surprising as most coaches are always trying to find a competitive edges in all phases of the game, especially recruiting.
We’ll see how all of this unfolds over the next six weeks.
A few points:

1. The NCAA changed its rule to basically match the SEC's, they too only allow 25 LOI's and/or Financial Aid Agreements from Dec. 1st on.

2. Because they use the same date, this "loophole" may still apply. Or, it may not. And this part EricVol may really want to pay attention to:

13.9.1 Letter of Intent – Limitation. Each SEC member institution is limited to signing 25 football prospective student-athletes to a National Letter of Intent, Conference financial aid agreement and/or institutional offer of athletics financial aid from December 1 through May 31st of each year. [Adopted 5/29/09; effective immediately; revised 6/3/11; effective August 1, 2011]

See that little "AND/OR"? The letter of law would state that the SEC and the NCAA can impose ANY SINGLE ONE OR ALL of those limitations on the signing class if they so choose. Since the loophole is bound by those who used financial aid agreements before Dec. 1st, they could simply say that the NLOI clause still prevents what Butch is doing. In other words, all of Butch Jones' class may not actually be legal.

Or maybe not...all depends on how Slive is feeling that day. Either way, I'll be sending this to a few people now.
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I think they want to "blue shirt" people, have them "walk-on" then after school starts hand them a scholarship.
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I think they want to "blue shirt" people, have them "walk-on" then after school starts hand them a scholarship.
What strikes me as odd about them using the "blue shirt", should we NOT even know that they have these "blue shirts" as commits???
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Seriously doubt the blue shirt deal is what is going on here. Multiple problems on both sides of the equation with that scenario. How many recruits with multiple offers would be willing to wait until summer to bank on a coach following thru with that promise. Way, way too much risk for the player. Would be an extremely dumb move for any player unless his options were severely limited. I just don't think that's the angle here. I think the angle is "son, are numbers aren't gonna allow for you to enroll next fall. We can offer you a scholarship with the next class but wouldn't blame you if you look around & find somebody who can take you now. Good luck"

In other words.....greyshirt or hit the bricks
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uh...so scott...
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He is considering taking more OVs. Possible options are auburn, fsu, Clemson.
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Oh dear god. Pretty much all of those places would be bad for him to visit. We are guaranteed to get a nice mudslinging
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Oh dear god. Pretty much all of those places would be bad for him to visit. We are guaranteed to get a nice mudslinging
He is a 4 star rb, can't expect people to not go after him.
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EricVol, is this the loophole?
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UT has 3 players already signed. To the best of my knowledge those are the only 3 that can be potentially counted back(assuming they signed no more than 22 last year). It's not that they're necessarily gonna have to run current players off, it's they cannot enroll more than 25 this class (28 counting the ones already signed)
We can back count 5. We have 14 players EEing in Jan (3 of which are the JUCO's that have already signed).

Then we can bring in 25 others that will be initial counters for this class giving us 30. The other three that have signed the financial aid agreement won't sign official LOI's until after May 31st and then they will be initial counters for our 2015 class.

That may not be the exactly correct way to explain it, but it is the jist.

We could do 1 or 2 more if we find the right players, but we don't want to use up too many spots from our 2015 class. But we only have 10 or so seniors next year so it was going to be a small class anyway so the 25 number shouldn't matter that much no matter what.
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We can back count 5. We have 14 players EEing in Jan (3 of which are the JUCO's that have already signed).

Then we can bring in 25 others that will be initial counters for this class giving us 30. The other three that have signed the financial aid agreement won't sign official LOI's until after May 31st and then they will be initial counters for our 2015 class.

That may not be the exactly correct way to explain it, but it is the jist.

We could do 1 or 2 more if we find the right players, but we don't want to use up too many spots from our 2015 class. But we only have 10 or so seniors next year so it was going to be a small class anyway so the 25 number shouldn't matter that much no matter what.
I hope Jones ran this idea by the NCAA first.
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Seriously doubt the blue shirt deal is what is going on here. Multiple problems on both sides of the equation with that scenario. How many recruits with multiple offers would be willing to wait until summer to bank on a coach following thru with that promise. Way, way too much risk for the player. Would be an extremely dumb move for any player unless his options were severely limited. I just don't think that's the angle here. I think the angle is "son, are numbers aren't gonna allow for you to enroll next fall. We can offer you a scholarship with the next class but wouldn't blame you if you look around & find somebody who can take you now. Good luck"

In other words.....greyshirt or hit the bricks
Good news for TN is that we have some really talented legacy players committed in this class who seem to be willing to do anything to help TN get the best class possible.
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I hope Jones ran this idea by the NCAA first.
He's talked publicly the past month or so saying we are looking at ways to bring in up to 35 now.

I doubt they've done any of this without contant communication with the NCAA and the SEC.

Maybe not though.
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Anyway sorry to derail the thread, but there were a lot of questions/accusations going around and I wanted to try and clear them up.

I still think you all land Scott FWIW.
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If true, that's great for the players and the program. Not every guy gets big NFL money, hopefully these guys are taking advantage of the free education.

Now, if the GPA's have risen because of UNC-style academcs, or what supposedly previously happened at UT with players taking sham classes, then shame on Butch.
Here is a free read on it if you are interested.

http://tennessee.scout.com/2/1359404.html
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He's talked publicly the past month or so saying we are looking at ways to bring in up to 35 now.

I doubt they've done any of this without contant communication with the NCAA and the SEC.

Maybe not though.
You should hope he did, a certain reading of that "loophole" means he is actually doing something you guys can't do. Of course, it would take someone at the NCAA and SEC telling Tennessee to stop attempting to bypass the point of the rule.
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