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Old 12-27-2013, 10:35 PM   #12921
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You should hope he did, a certain reading of that "loophole" means he is actually doing something you guys can't do. Of course, it would take someone at the NCAA and SEC telling Tennessee to stop attempting to bypass the point of the rule.
Will be interesting to see what happens on signing day.

We really need everyone of our commits so I hope we don't lose anyone and can pick up one or two more.
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Old 12-27-2013, 10:41 PM   #12922
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A few points:

1. The NCAA changed its rule to basically match the SEC's, they too only allow 25 LOI's and/or Financial Aid Agreements from Dec. 1st on.

2. Because they use the same date, this "loophole" may still apply. Or, it may not. And this part EricVol may really want to pay attention to:

13.9.1 Letter of Intent – Limitation. Each SEC member institution is limited to signing 25 football prospective student-athletes to a National Letter of Intent, Conference financial aid agreement and/or institutional offer of athletics financial aid from December 1 through May 31st of each year. [Adopted 5/29/09; effective immediately; revised 6/3/11; effective August 1, 2011]

See that little "AND/OR"? The letter of law would state that the SEC and the NCAA can impose ANY SINGLE ONE OR ALL of those limitations on the signing class if they so choose. Since the loophole is bound by those who used financial aid agreements before Dec. 1st, they could simply say that the NLOI clause still prevents what Butch is doing. In other words, all of Butch Jones' class may not actually be legal.

Or maybe not...all depends on how Slive is feeling that day. Either way, I'll be sending this to a few people now.
I think the part you may be missing is that our players signed these financial aid agreements before December 1st. That way they don't affect the number as it pertains to only Dec 1st-May 31st.

The guys that are over the number can then sign their official LOI after the May 31st date and they would count toward 2015. They will already be on scholarship at TN due to the other aid agreement and aren't required to sign the official LOI before May 31st.

That is how I've interpreted it.
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He's talked publicly the past month or so saying we are looking at ways to bring in up to 35 now.

I doubt they've done any of this without contant communication with the NCAA and the SEC.

Maybe not though.
My point being, does it strike you as odd that Jones is the only coach doing this. I don't think he is that much smarter than all the other coaches in the country. Maybe he is. If he is wrong, this could set UT back at least another 5 years.
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My point being, does it strike you as odd that Jones is the only coach doing this. I don't think he is that much smarter than all the other coaches in the country. Maybe he is. If he is wrong, this could set UT back at least another 5 years.
Maybe, or maybe no other coach needs extra players this badly.

I'd like to believe they didn't do it behind anyone's back, since it is obvious that everyone is going to find out at some point, so there is no way to hide it.
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The guys that are over the number can then sign their official LOI after the May 31st date and they would count toward 2015. They will already be on scholarship at TN due to the other aid agreement and aren't required to sign the official LOI before May 31st

If that's the case then why would they ever need to sign a LOI or take up an athletic scholarship. Just leave them on what they already have & free up more athletic scholarships.I simply don't believe the NCAA is going to buy that. The huge issue with greyshirting athletes has been & continues to be that they were responsible for their own expenses if they chose to enroll before their scholarship became available.

If you could simply put recruits on other aid, you could conceivably end up with 100 players on scholarship & still be legal. I don't believe you're trying to mislead us nor am I trying to argue the point, I just think you're like us & don't really know how this is going to happen.

I believe UT signed 22 last year so unless they counted some of those back to the previous year they can't count back 5 this year

You very well might have a situation where an athlete qualifies for financial aid outside an athletic scholarship but full ride guys get room, food, books, etc , if UT can offer all that outside of athletics then there are no longer any rules & the 85 limit is meaningless.

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Maybe, or maybe no other coach needs extra players this badly.

I'd like to believe they didn't do it behind anyone's back, since it is obvious that everyone is going to find out at some point, so there is no way to hide it.
I don't think that's it. Every coach wants to gain any possible advantage they can.....and clearly they aren't doing anything behind anyone's back....but misinterpreting or misunderstanding the rules isn't a defense. Remember, every school has attorneys and compliance people reviewing every word of every section. I hope for UT sake that it isn't against the rules, but I have my doubts.
If I were representing UT, I would have written the NCAA asking for a ruling just to make sure. It's much too risky to do otherwise. I'll say this, it does go against the spirit of the rules.
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I don't think that's it. Every coach wants to gain any possible advantage they can.....and clearly they aren't doing anything behind anyone's back....but misinterpreting or misunderstanding the rules isn't a defense. Remember, every school has attorneys and compliance people reviewing every word of every section. I hope for UT sake that it isn't against the rules, but I have my doubts.
If I were representing UT, I would have written the NCAA asking for a ruling just to make sure. It's much too risky to do otherwise. I'll say this, it does go against the spirit of the rules.

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Old 12-28-2013, 01:24 AM   #12928
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They accepted Stallworth's commitment since it looked like we weren't going to get Ford, so I wonder if we still take Ford. Interestingly, Scout.com has Stallworth listed as a "soft verbal" commitment though. I wonder if Ford is the reason why and if so, if that is based on solid info or they are just guessing that we end up with Ford and maybe not Stallworth.
they would have taken Stallworth anyways, Scout puts people at soft verbal pretty easily like BAW are you worried about him too?
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^I'm telling ya, Stallworth may be worth worrying about. I believe C2 mentioned Ole Miss and Miss St.
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Old 12-28-2013, 10:32 AM   #12930
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^I'm telling ya, Stallworth may be worth worrying about. I believe C2 mentioned Ole Miss and Miss St.
C2 said it would be interesting, not that he was worth worrying about. Also, we did not take Stallworth because we didn't think we'd get Ford. This was before Ford committed. Stallworths results since prove it was a good offer and commitment.

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Old 12-28-2013, 10:44 AM   #12931
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Surely him seeing Maryland lose to Marshall isn't helping Maryland's cause. Prince needs to come to SC where the landscape is much different than at MD... We are on the brink of an SEC championship.. I can feel it.
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He is really using the official visits as a decision maker apparently. Says everyone is even right now. We need to knock his socks off.
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the more i read about this situation, the better i feel about our chances. we have only 2 lineman signed where fsu already has 6 or 7, Maryland is close to home but has not been good at all, especially with their loss to Marshall in the bowl game. no one should want to go to Florida and Miami has already taken 4 or 5 lineman as well. with our ability to give him early playing time with both of our tackles leaving after next year and the fact that both will probably get drafted and the fact that we are winning a lot of games and on the brink of bigger and better things. South Carolina gives the best chance for him to compete for a chance to play early, play for a championship, and be fairly close to home.
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the more i read about this situation, the better i feel about our chances. we have only 2 lineman signed where fsu already has 6 or 7, Maryland is close to home but has not been good at all, especially with their loss to Marshall in the bowl game. no one should want to go to Florida and Miami has already taken 4 or 5 lineman as well. with our ability to give him early playing time with both of our tackles leaving after next year and the fact that both will probably get drafted and the fact that we are winning a lot of games and on the brink of bigger and better things. South Carolina gives the best chance for him to compete for a chance to play early, play for a championship, and be fairly close to home.
Don't forget he knows Na'ty Rodgers....and Prince's hs OL coach was Rodger's OL coach.
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He did an interview on rivals today and had alot of positive things to say about South Carolina. Gave alot of props to GA Mangus and said he really liked our offense and the chance to play early.
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Nice, sounds promising
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Josh Newberg of 247 thinks we're now second behind Maryland with FSU being third.
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Josh Newberg of 247 thinks we're now second behind Maryland with FSU being third.
Since he has already taken his OV there that is huge news. I just have a good feeling we steal this kid out of Maryland and he becomes the gem of a very very strong class.
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Since he has already taken his OV there that is huge news. I just have a good feeling we steal this kid out of Maryland and he becomes the gem of a very very strong class.
It's been reported that his OV to Maryland wasn't that good.

Getting him would be a huge for Carolina.....pulling in a 5* out of state player. I don't think that has ever happened.
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I'm so ready for three weeks from now! Should be getting some really good news on a lot of guys.
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