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Old 01-02-2014, 05:31 PM   #21
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I thought the run game bogged down when Waldrop returned to the lineup, replacing Stadnik. I believe the time he missed with injury reduced his effectiveness and this showed in our lack of a run game late this season. I would think Waldrop would be a great fit at guard which he played in HS. This may just be my personal pipe-dream.
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No kidding..you want a power run game with a line that controls scrimmage, watch Wisconsin. Those guys know how to do it.
And yet it looked like typical zone blocking to me with lots of double teams and pulling guards. I did not see them driving people, but rather just controlling them. There is no reason why our guys could not do the same.
Honestly, no slam on Wisconsin...but that looked like a HS offense to me....just fundamental blocking and well designed plays. Every OL knew exactly what he was to do and executed.

Back to C2's list of players...I could see some of our current starters getting benched for guys who can block better. Too many whiffs.
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I'd love to see a stat of how many 1st downs Shaw picked up this year with his feet. Heck, a breakdown for the last three seasons would be interesting too.
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Same here. Ability to find the first down market is wht makes Connor so dangerous.
Assuming that ESPN's game logs are correct and that I counted everything correctly, Shaw had rushes that resulted in a first down or touchdown 131 times in his career at USC. Granted, it's very possible that I double counted or didn't see some, so I'd go with that number and an error margin of +/- 5. From my counting 43 came this year and 33 came during his junior year. Can't remember the totals from his first two seasons, but I think his sophomore year was around 30.
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And yet it looked like typical zone blocking to me with lots of double teams and pulling guards. I did not see them driving people, but rather just controlling them. There is no reason why our guys could not do the same.
Honestly, no slam on Wisconsin...but that looked like a HS offense to me....just fundamental blocking and well designed plays. Every OL knew exactly what he was to do and executed.

Back to C2's list of players...I could see some of our current starters getting benched for guys who can block better. Too many whiffs.
Yup. The guys just knew where they were supposed to be and got there. The biggest difference between the two units was on the outside where they controlled the edge. The tackles are going to have to drastically improve for the rushing and passing games to be effective.
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Mike Davis certainly is a 20 carry back if there is one.. he got banged up but that happens to anyone
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OL still a concern. Showed some progress early but maybe that was the level of competition. They appear to always be pass blocking regardless if it's a run play.
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a shame we wasted Patrick's one year on 5 plays
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5 plays on Patrick? u mean Rodgers? if so I agree
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Old 01-02-2014, 11:39 PM   #29
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I think AJ Cann will stay!
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5 plays on Patrick? u mean Rodgers? if so I agree
no I'm talking about the 5 plays we used him on in 2009 against Arky that cost him his redshirt

Rodgers played a few more than that I think but is definitely a similar situation
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Coach Elliot should have these boys ready to dominate next year. I too think Waldron will battle for a r. Guard spot.
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Now let's just hope that our OL coach returns WITH them...
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Agree. And Rodgers. That one, I don't understand.
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Old 01-03-2014, 11:35 AM   #35
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Coach Elliot should have these boys ready to dominate next year.
I get your point, but you don't really dominate when you are zone blocking...Wisconsin didn't really dominate...they just made sure their big guys got in everyone's way so no one could make a tackle. Then again...maybe that is domination?

I think our OL crew could learn some things by watching Wisconsin.
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Old 01-03-2014, 11:44 AM   #36
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i dont agree that mike isnt a 20 carry back, but it brings up a point that if you have a great back like that and teams are gearing up to stop him and he gets stymied you cant just give up on the running game when you have the quality depth we have. same thing that annoyed me when lattimore was here. you have to run your offense and stay relatively balanced even when the backup is in, or else you end up blowing a game like we did against tennessee. you put that backup in and maybe they relax or they key on pass, you call the right play get the right blocks and suddenly shon carson gashing a florida defense for a huge play.

its going to be vital for us to run out of more formations and not become predictable with connor gone. the times we've gotten bogged down in the running game has usually been when we got stagnant with our run calls. someone mentioned it earlier, but we had instances where one guy missed his block and it caused a play to get blown up.
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Part of Spurrier's philosophy on running the ball is to pull the defenders closer to the line and then burn them in one on one coverage with a pass down the field. When they start throwing because the defense is stopping the run it's part of this philosophy and not necessarily an abandonment of the run game. Unfortunately part of what happens is the dline gets so much penetration on stopping the run that even when it's an attempted pass thy are already in the backfield and the play can't develop.
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According to TBS and GCC one OL is still wavering on his decision to return or not. Looks like it is Corey Robinson, but CC thinks he will return.
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Old 01-03-2014, 12:14 PM   #39
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According to TBS and GCC one OL is still wavering on his decision to return or not. Looks like it is Corey Robinson, but CC thinks he will return.
I would guess that is Corey Robinson since he is getting the most mock draft hype out of the three, and I think it would be unwise of him to enter the draft. He is better than he played this season, and needs another season to polish up his play.
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Agree. And Rodgers. That one, I don't understand.
I don't see Rodgers staying for 5 years anyway
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