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Old 01-04-2014, 02:30 AM   #101
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I honestly have no clue how everything will shake out. Here are the teams who are currently ranked ahead of us who have now lost their bowl games and their final records:

Alabama 11-2 (#3 AP and USA Today)
Baylor 11-2 (#6 AP, #5 in USA Today)
Ohio State 12-2 (#7 AP, #6 USA Today)
Stanford 11-3 (#5 AP, #7 USA Today)

Since we currently sit at #8 and all of these teams now have at least the same number of losses we do, one might think we would naturally move up 4 spots to #4, but that might not be what happens.

Here's the problem. Missouri is currently only one spot behind us at #9, and they just beat Oklahoma State by 10 points. We beat them in the head-to-head game, so logic would dictate we stay ahead of them. But since they beat a team that was ranked higher than the one we beat and did it in dramatic fashion, they may very well move ahead of us in the final polls. Then there's Oklahoma. They're currently 3 and 2 spots behind us in the AP and USA Today polls, respectively. Since they beat #3 Alabama by 14 points, it's not a given, but it is a safe bet they will leap frog us in the polls. And last, but certainly not least is Alabama. Yes, they are now 11-2 and looked like crap in their bowl game, but they were also ranked #1 for the majority of the season, so the perception of them overall might still be enough to keep them ahead of us in the final polls.

What all of this means is we could end up being as high as #4 or barely move up to #7 when all is said and done. It will certainly be interesting to see how the pollsters vote once all the games are in the books.
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Old 01-04-2014, 02:32 AM   #102
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Well, ya gotta think Florida State, Auburn and Michigan State will be ahead of us for sure. Mizzou will probably be ahead of us as well(since they just beat #13, and they were ahead of us in the BCS)... So, that puts us at 5... The real issue will be if Bama stays ahead of us, and does Oklahoma jump us(after the 14pt win last night)....

All that being said, best case would be 4th, worst case 7th.
Apparently I took too long collecting my thoughts before submitting my post, because you beat me to the same ultimate point by 12 minutes.
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Well, ya gotta think Florida State, Auburn and Michigan State will be ahead of us for sure. Mizzou will probably be ahead of us as well(since they just beat #13, and they were ahead of us in the BCS)... So, that puts us at 5... The real issue will be if Bama stays ahead of us, and does Oklahoma jump us(after the 14pt win last night)....

All that being said, best case would be 4th, worst case 7th.
Can't see Mizzou being ahead of us. We each had two losses and we beat them at their place.
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Old 01-04-2014, 02:36 AM   #104
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We have three wins over teams that won their BCS bowl. Two of those wins coming on the road. Here's to hoping voters or whoever remembers this
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We have three wins over teams that won their BCS bowl. Two of those wins coming on the road. Here's to hoping voters or whoever remembers this
It's an epidemic! The cotton bowl is NOT a BCS bowl. Why do so many people keep posting saying we beat three BCS teams?
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Can't see Mizzou being ahead of us. We each had two losses and we beat them at their place.
But logic and common sense is sometimes overruled by perception.
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Old 01-04-2014, 02:47 AM   #107
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We deserve deserve at least #5 after watching some of these bowl games
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If Clemson or Missouri are ahead of us, it's a joke.
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It's an epidemic! The cotton bowl is NOT a BCS bowl. Why do so many people keep posting saying we beat three BCS teams?
Ahh I knew that. My bad. I guess it being played after Jan 1 in primetime threw me off
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Old 01-04-2014, 03:16 AM   #111
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I honestly have no clue how everything will shake out. Here are the teams who are currently ranked ahead of us who have now lost their bowl games and their final records:

Alabama 11-2 (#3 AP and USA Today)
Baylor 11-2 (#6 AP, #5 in USA Today)
Ohio State 12-2 (#7 AP, #6 USA Today)
Stanford 11-3 (#5 AP, #7 USA Today)

Since we currently sit at #8 and all of these teams now have at least the same number of losses we do, one might think we would naturally move up 4 spots to #4, but that might not be what happens.

Here's the problem. Missouri is currently only one spot behind us at #9, and they just beat Oklahoma State by 10 points. We beat them in the head-to-head game, so logic would dictate we stay ahead of them. But since they beat a team that was ranked higher than the one we beat and did it in dramatic fashion, they may very well move ahead of us in the final polls. Then there's Oklahoma. They're currently 3 and 2 spots behind us in the AP and USA Today polls, respectively. Since they beat #3 Alabama by 14 points, it's not a given, but it is a safe bet they will leap frog us in the polls. And last, but certainly not least is Alabama. Yes, they are now 11-2 and looked like crap in their bowl game, but they were also ranked #1 for the majority of the season, so the perception of them overall might still be enough to keep them ahead of us in the final polls.

What all of this means is we could end up being as high as #4 or barely move up to #7 when all is said and done. It will certainly be interesting to see how the pollsters vote once all the games are in the books.
Excellent assessment. I think Auburn's performance against FSU matters in terms of perception. If the Tigers pull off the upset, then Bama's and Mizzou's losses to the Tigers would be considered "good losses." But if Auburn gets curb stomped, which is a possibility, that could harm the perception of Bama and Mizzou (and maybe even the SEC in general). Hard to imagine 4 SEC teams ranked somewhere between 2 and 6. I don't see voters outside of the southeast voting that many SEC teams so highly without an Auburn victory in the BCS Championship game. Think about it: the PAC-12 was the second best conference in the country and they may have only one team barely crack the top 10.
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Why not #5?
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Old 01-04-2014, 09:12 AM   #113
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Mizzou will probably be ahead of us as well(since they just beat #13, and they were ahead of us in the BCS).
I believe they will not release another BCS poll. They will only release AP and USA Today polls after the bowls.

Going into the bowls, we are ahead of Missouri in both AP and USA Today:
http://espn.go.com/college-football/rankings

Both of us with two losses and we beat them in their house, Missouri should not jump over us.
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im guessing 6, but i think we should be 4th. obviously its not going to look like this, but this is the way i'd go.

1. fsu/auburn
2. fsu/michigan st
3. michigan st/auburn/fsu
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Old 01-04-2014, 09:41 AM   #115
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#1 AU/FSU
#2 FSU/AU
#3 Michigan State
#4 Carolina

All the other 1 or 2 loss teams either:

a. lost their bowl
b. lost to us earlier in the season
c. were below us going into the bowls
d. some combination of a, b, & c
Agree. The x factor is how low does Bama drop? I think there's going to be some close voting in some of this....maybe it always is?
But our guys likely will finish #4 or #5.
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im guessing 6...
Don't know why you post this. Go study how it goes....there is a pattern.
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Old 01-04-2014, 10:02 AM   #117
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We should be at least #5.
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Yes, this is likely, but it shouldn't happen. We should be above Alabama. Losing your last two games, one by two TD's, shouldn't put you ahead of a us this year. Even by most projections we are right beside each other, all I am saying is switch our order.
I hope you're right. About the only argument that could be made in favor of Bama is that the Tide's two losses were against teams that will finish in the top 10. But I don't know if most voters put that much thought into it. I fear they will simply put Bama ahead of Carolina in their rankings just because Bama is Bama.

Does Finebaum vote in the AP poll? I would like to see his final rankings.
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I don't see UCF getting into the top 5. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we get jumped by Mizzou and OU .And I wonder where Clemson comes in too. Is it possible they jump us. Logic would say no but we have gotten screwed over in these polls as of late and the voters love the buckeyes.I think we end up 6 or 7 and Clemson probably comes in 7 or 8. But you never know.
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#11 will not pass #8 if they both have solid wins.
I admit there's a little bit of a difference in the situations since we didn't play on the same day, but your belief was disproven this season. Michigan State jumped well ahead of us after they beat Ohio State in their championship game, and our last showing was a 14-point win over CU.
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