Have we turned the corner?

Eug Cock · 01-04-2014, 02:40 PM

We had a little hiccup against SC State but overall we've looked pretty good/better in the last few games.

Are we seeing real improvement?

Still too soon to tell?

Is this Frank's system working?

I hope so and I can't wait to see us in SEC play!

CoverTwo · 01-04-2014, 02:41 PM

Going to find out against Florida in the O-Dome.

FanofCarolina1 · 01-04-2014, 03:03 PM

Still too soon to tell.

garnet_black215 · 01-04-2014, 03:10 PM

We've seen some improvement, sure, but it's too soon to tell if we've turned the corner. We'll see how far we've come when we play the Gators.

Luke Skycocker · 01-04-2014, 04:31 PM

Yes we are improved. That being said, we're not going to be able to hang in there against Florida on the road

Eug Cock · 01-04-2014, 05:13 PM

Yeah...I'm not expecting to go whoop up on Florida necessarily.
I guess I'm asking if we're showing that we can be consistently competitive.
That is, playing close to our potential on a regular basis.

markp_vip · 01-04-2014, 08:14 PM

I think we need to see the first few games of the conference schedule to know.

baitandswitch · 01-04-2014, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eug Cock

We had a little hiccup against SC State but overall we've looked pretty good/better in the last few games.

Are we seeing real improvement?

Still too soon to tell?

Is this Frank's system working?

I hope so and I can't wait to see us in SEC play!

Our defense was atrocious against SC State. We gave up 17 offensive rebounds and were outrebounded overall. We allowed SCST to score 1.1 points per possession, which was the highest output their team has had all year. We can't play poorly against Florida and expect to be in the game.

I do think there has been improvement. I think L-Chat should see the floor a little more than he has as he's been extremely productive offensively and defensively. I'm very pleased with guard play and if we can get Sin to settle down offensively we will be a tough team to play for the lack of experience we have.

CockTail · 01-05-2014, 12:01 AM

I expect this team to be VERY inconsistent. I think we may get a surprise win here or there and potentially get blown out a few as well. This team is young, with a lack of scorers and shooters. We simply don't have enough talent to be .500 in the SEC.

We have turned the corner and and entered the freeway going in the wrong direction.

We still need two more years of recruiting and development.

baitandswitch · 01-05-2014, 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CockTail

I expect this team to be VERY inconsistent. I think we may get a surprise win here or there and potentially get blown out a few as well. This team is young, with a lack of scorers and shooters. We simply don't have enough talent to be .500 in the SEC.

We have turned the corner and and entered the freeway going in the wrong direction.

We still need two more years of recruiting and development.

I would change talent to development. We're not really so devoid of talent, that we can't beat teams in the SEC. Maybe to win a championship, but to be .500 in the SEC I think we just lack experience and development.

Frank Martin has shown he doesn't have to have the cream of the crop to win, you just have to fit his system and buy in to what he's teaching. He never fantastic recruiting classes at KSU, although he did have 2 five star recruits. He's already got one five star in Sin, and a legit shot at two more in Seventh and Dozier. He's recruited 2 top 150 players in Stroman and Blanton. With the talent we are getting he will have enough to work with to win in the SEC.

Cockhornleghorn · 01-05-2014, 01:32 AM

Yes, we've improved, but no, we aren't ready to make a run for the conference title.

M.C. · 01-05-2014, 02:14 AM

no way we are gonna struggle big time in conference play maybe 3 wins max

TwoNotch Dreams · 01-05-2014, 03:06 AM

Depends on what your measure for improvement is.

If you want a comparison:

Offensive rating:

2012: 98.1 / 2013: 107.2 (+9.1)

Defensive rating:

2012: 102.3 / 2013: 99.0 (+3.3)

So, there are some strides being made. I'm not sure what to expect in conference play. We have one of the youngest teams in the conference, so we might be prone to losing a lot more. I'll say this though, our effort is much better overall. Defensively the players are making the right rotations, contesting shots, recovering to shooters, and trusting one another. On offense, the shot selection is better, we move the ball better, and we have better ball handlers and playmakers with the additions of Thornwell, Notice and Johnson.

I like our team going forward. We're not going to be world beaters this season, but they are definitely becoming more of a traditional Frank Martin team. I'm hoping for the best in SEC play.

ReadR00ster · 01-05-2014, 03:39 AM

When we get into the NIT. They we turned the corner.

Regalcock · 01-05-2014, 04:01 AM

We have a long way to go but I am encouraged and feel frank is the answer. He just needs time like SOS did. The football team had talent but no depth. The bball team was left with very little of either.

TheMule · 01-05-2014, 10:07 AM

Haven't turned the corner but I feel that we've started getting into the curve. Long way to go yet with many inconsistencies but there is at least improvement and it looks like the players are buying into the system

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Eug Cock Old Dixie Youth Male Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Rural, OR Posts: 50 CockyCash: 500	Have we turned the corner? We had a little hiccup against SC State but overall we've looked pretty good/better in the last few games. Are we seeing real improvement? Still too soon to tell? Is this Frank's system working? I hope so and I can't wait to see us in SEC play!

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garnet_black215 Section 509, Row 13 Male Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In a van down by the river. Posts: 7,785 CockyCash: 1350	Re: Have we turned the corner? We've seen some improvement, sure, but it's too soon to tell if we've turned the corner. We'll see how far we've come when we play the Gators.

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Luke Skycocker Git Dat Baw Male Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: North Augusta Posts: 45,452 CockyCash: 106687138593	Re: Have we turned the corner? Yes we are improved. That being said, we're not going to be able to hang in there against Florida on the road __________________

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Eug Cock Old Dixie Youth Male Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Rural, OR Posts: 50 CockyCash: 500	Re: Have we turned the corner? Yeah...I'm not expecting to go whoop up on Florida necessarily. I guess I'm asking if we're showing that we can be consistently competitive. That is, playing close to our potential on a regular basis.

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markp_vip 2nd Team All-SEC Male Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: St Tammany Parish, La Posts: 2,983 CockyCash: 6001866	Re: Have we turned the corner? I think we need to see the first few games of the conference schedule to know. __________________ Recently the difference between Clemson and Carolina has become clear. While Irrational People Talk About Yesterday, The Rational Ones Orchestrate Success Today. So as they desperately cling to their history, we continue to make history day by day.

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CockTail Starter Male Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Fleming Island FL Posts: 1,304 CockyCash: 500	Re: Have we turned the corner? I expect this team to be VERY inconsistent. I think we may get a surprise win here or there and potentially get blown out a few as well. This team is young, with a lack of scorers and shooters. We simply don't have enough talent to be .500 in the SEC. We have turned the corner and and entered the freeway going in the wrong direction. We still need two more years of recruiting and development. __________________ Q:Why did the Rooster cross the road? A:To kick a Tiger's Ass

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Cockhornleghorn Household Name Male Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Columbia Posts: 6,376 CockyCash: 115700	Re: Have we turned the corner? Yes, we've improved, but no, we aren't ready to make a run for the conference title. __________________

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01-05-2014, 03:06 AM	#13
TwoNotch Dreams Blue Chip Male Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Columbia Posts: 571 CockyCash: 500	Re: Have we turned the corner? Depends on what your measure for improvement is. If you want a comparison: Offensive rating: 2012: 98.1 / 2013: 107.2 (+9.1) Defensive rating: 2012: 102.3 / 2013: 99.0 (+3.3) So, there are some strides being made. I'm not sure what to expect in conference play. We have one of the youngest teams in the conference, so we might be prone to losing a lot more. I'll say this though, our effort is much better overall. Defensively the players are making the right rotations, contesting shots, recovering to shooters, and trusting one another. On offense, the shot selection is better, we move the ball better, and we have better ball handlers and playmakers with the additions of Thornwell, Notice and Johnson. I like our team going forward. We're not going to be world beaters this season, but they are definitely becoming more of a traditional Frank Martin team. I'm hoping for the best in SEC play.

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ReadR00ster Banned Male Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 9,866 CockyCash: 1220	Re: Have we turned the corner? When we get into the NIT. They we turned the corner.

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Regalcock Fawlless Male Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Castle Anthrax Posts: 15,470 CockyCash: 115054578	Re: Have we turned the corner? We have a long way to go but I am encouraged and feel frank is the answer. He just needs time like SOS did. The football team had talent but no depth. The bball team was left with very little of either. __________________

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TheMule Br Ba Male Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Gaffney, SC Posts: 11,391 CockyCash: 1000200	Re: Have we turned the corner? Haven't turned the corner but I feel that we've started getting into the curve. Long way to go yet with many inconsistencies but there is at least improvement and it looks like the players are buying into the system __________________ gt Here's to you, Feisty and Spurd&Fthrd.

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