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Old 01-06-2014, 03:11 AM   #41
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The rule is dumb. Mizzo probably should have been in over both CU and Bama. As the playoff system establishes itself and eventually grows in # it will likely include more than Conf champs. If CFB wants to maintain the " every week counts" status the current system has birthed then it must some how reward those who achieve in said regular season and do so by rewarding significant advantages such as byes to Conf champs over div winners and home field to div winners over the rest ect.
I don't get this every week counts. In the NFL it counts until a team is locked for a bye, and/ or home field advantage which most of the time is determined by the last 2 games. Want to know how you stop this in the NFL? Make inter-division games count more, and put them as the last 6 games of the season.

In College it will always be important each week because there are 10 different conferences, and each team will be striving to win each game to get to the highest seed possible. Linking bye weeks, and home field advantages to conference champs is a bad way to go imo. Keep it with SOS, and the best record, let conference champs get a lock in the tournament, but let the best team get the #1 seed, even if they so happen not to be a conference champ. If a 9-3 USC beat a 12-0 Auburn in 2010, I would say Auburn would deserve a higher seed than USC wouldn't y'all?

I do think a 12-24 team playoff with bye weeks is a good incentive to keep each game more important each week though.
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This next years game and season may be the most interesting one in a while for both schools with talent that is leaving.

What has Spurrier done to keep his job? Beat Clemson?

We haven't been able to get the job done vs SC but we have won a conference championship and a BCS Bowl. SC has beat Clemson but hasn't won a CC or BCS Bowl.

As long as both schools are winning 10+ games a year, nothing will change job wise.
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Dabo will continue to recruit at a high level and win plenty of games in the ACC. When Morris leaves they will win 1-2 less games a year putting them at 8-9 wins a year, losing to South Carolina of course, and ultimately result in him losing his job. Once the Playoff is in effect and they can't hide behind they smoke screen of the BCS rules and the ACC, it's only a matter of time. It wont matter any way. Clemson can't keep up with South Carolina [and the SEC] at this point. Too much money, resources are going into this machine at this point. Momentum.
This is the key. If you have read this whole thread to this point, you should know the significance of this. We have been ranked higher than clem5on at the end of the year for several years in a row now. All this bowl tie in garbage will finally bring an end to their BCS posturing. The clem5on faithful are too shortsighted to see that the BCS is a blip in the history of CFB and that their weak schedules will finally bite them in the butt in the very near future.
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This is the key. If you have read this whole thread to this point, you should know the significance of this. We have been ranked higher than clem5on at the end of the year for several years in a row now. All this bowl tie in garbage will finally bring an end to their BCS posturing. The clem5on faithful are too shortsighted to see that the BCS is a blip in the history of CFB and that their weak schedules will finally bite them in the butt in the very near future.
I had a Clemson fan arguing with me last night about how they could make a BCS game even if they were in the SEC. I made sure that he understood that he clearly doesnt understand how this whole BCS thing worked. There is no way Clemson would be the 2nd best team in the SEC. They arent even the 2nd best team in the ACC most years. Plus they can't beat us, which is where they'd need to start anyway.
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Louisville fans are all about hiring Chad Morris. Clemson fans better start getting worried.
If he leaves then good for him. He has already said that he wants to be a head coach. I think we will be fine as long as we keep recruiting at the level we are and we will stay with the same type of offense. It was funny how many people took shots at Dabo for hiring a hs coach 3 years ago.
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I have also heard Rich Rod was someone they want to go after.
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I have also heard Rich Rod was someone they want to go after.
One site is reporting that Rich Rod is their #1 target. He did just get a contract extension at Arizona though, so it'll be interesting to see if they can pull him away.
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One site is reporting that Rich Rod is their #1 target. He did just get a contract extension at Arizona though, so it'll be interesting to see if they can pull him away.
I think Morris isn't a big enough name after the success they have had. They have to make a big splash after losing Strong and going to the ACC. Rich Rod would be just that but I still don't think Morris will be around after next year but that all depends on what opens up. We lucked out this year... maybe.
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I know a lot of IPTAY memebers who would love to see Dabo get fired but they always preface it with - "who ya gonna get?" For Dabo to be fired, CU would have to do some behind the scenes negotiation with a big name coach.

While I know many CU fans that don't like Dabo and think he reflects poorly on the program, I just don't see a way they fire him when he's winning 10 games a year (regardless of how easy the ACC is). The school would also have to think how bad it wold look to other coaches to fire someone who has a high win percentage.

However - Michaigan baiscally told Lloyd Carr to retire after he loast 6 of 7 to OSU so it has happened inthe past.
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I think Clemson knows how quickly they can become bottom feeders if they let a good coach go. Na once bitten twice shy. If Dabo keeps them in the top 15 yearly then he's going nowhere.
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If the steak gets to seven, Dumbo won't make it to the next season. The big time money people at Taterville do not like losing to Carolina.
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This next years game and season may be the most interesting one in a while for both schools with talent that is leaving.

What has Spurrier done to keep his job? Beat Clemson?

We haven't been able to get the job done vs SC but we have won a conference championship and a BCS Bowl. SC has beat Clemson but hasn't won a CC or BCS Bowl.

As long as both schools are winning 10+ games a year, nothing will change job wise.
Lets see for starters-64 weeks consecutive weeks (and counting) in the AP Top 25 (Clemson's never done), three consecutive 11 win seasons (Clemson's never done), three consecutive top 10 national rankings (Clemson's never done) and a top five national ranking (Clemson's done once and Dabo's never done).
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This next years game and season may be the most interesting one in a while for both schools with talent that is leaving.

What has Spurrier done to keep his job? Beat Clemson?

We haven't been able to get the job done vs SC but we have won a conference championship and a BCS Bowl. SC has beat Clemson but hasn't won a CC or BCS Bowl.

As long as both schools are winning 10+ games a year, nothing will change job wise.
We're not really losing that much. We have an experienced QB that beat y'all already, reloaded on the DL. Are overloaded at. QB, WR, RB, and OL which we are only losing Ellington, Shaw and one OL on the entire offense. Linebackers and safeties will all be back. CB is the only real area of concern, but we have guys getting ready for their chance.
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If the steak gets to seven, Dumbo won't make it to the next season. The big time money people at Taterville do not like losing to Carolina.
I don't think we'll lose to Clemson again as long as Spurrier is coaching here.
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What's this talk of firing Dabo?

Shut up folks, shut up.
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You don't fire coaches that have turned teams into perennial top 10 programs like Clemson and South Carolina. Also, as long as both coaches are filling stadiums, have a lot of national televised games and are part of the national discussion nobody is leavening.....silly question.

Right now, Clemson and Carolina are both great programs at the same time and we as fans win......Enjoy the ride because sooner or later one of our schools will slip for a few years....
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Ohio State fired Cooper, the coach before Tressel, because he was winning the big 10 but went like 2-7 against Michigan. If we beat Clemson another. 2 years and they lose to FSU and win all their other games, I could still see Dabo being fired.
Clemson fans are delusional. They fired Hatfield when he had a 80% winning percentage. They live in the false world that the Clemson program is elite. Dabo encourages that way of thinking. If Dabo does not achieve elite program status--a probability that is growing smaller and smaller as Louisville/Petrino enters and FSU rebuilds under their SEC coach--they will likely send him packing. His rah-rah stuff is going to get pretty old as they slip down the ACC pecking order.
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