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Old 01-12-2014, 11:38 PM   #441
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Did he officially change the dates of his visit? I know he was originally coming here on the 24th.
Not yet but it has been rumored that he will be switching to this weekend would look for it to be confirmed early this week
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Seems a little early to be giving up on Rainey and Moody, Fleetwood has had health issuses but havnt heard much of anything either way about him
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Well, the list C2 put up contains 13 players. Don't forget about Vonashek, Salley, and Christian who have already left the program. Plus early departures Clowney, Quarles, Hampton, and Ellington. That's a total of 20 players who had playing eligibility for next season who wouldn't be a part of the roster. Add the 4 scholarship seniors who leave, and that's 24.

We don't need all those guys off the roster....it's just a list of who C2 could see leaving...
As of right now, we have 85 (per GCC list) on scholly. That includes 16 in this class, add Fry, McLaurin and Rhodes and subtract Salley and Christian. That also removes the 4 seniors and the 4 juniors leaving early. If we add 7 more to this class (23 total),
that gives us 92.....we then must have attrition of 10 by August 1 to get down to 82.
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Are Hull and Fry both on scholarship?
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Are Hull and Fry both on scholarship?
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Old 01-13-2014, 06:20 AM   #446
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Is Hull coming back? Doesn't he graduate in the spring?
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Old 01-13-2014, 06:25 AM   #447
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As of right now, we have 85 (per GCC list) on scholly. That includes 16 in this class, add Fry, McLaurin and Rhodes and subtract Salley and Christian. That also removes the 4 seniors and the 4 juniors leaving early. If we add 7 more to this class (23 total),
that gives us 92.....we then must have attrition of 10 by August 1 to get down to 82.
The exception is guys that don't get in right away. Guarantee you have at least one of those. Here is the list I refer to:

http://southcarolina.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=646864

Not yet updated with Smiths move to CB. I see at least 3 that will be encouraged to transfer without thinking too hard. C2s list is pretty good, some on there can remain but they really need to show us something in the Spring. Basically if you are in Junior and Senior column and you have yet to play, probably isn't happening.
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Wow....and how many of those guys were ones intensely fought over during their recruiting just a few years back?
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Wow....and how many of those guys were ones intensely fought over during their recruiting just a few years back?
Some of today's must-have recruits become tomorrow's excess baggage?
Just pointing out guys that possibly need to transfer to see playing time. Some have already graduated here, so they can go anywhere they wish. It makes room for guys like LA Mons, who are young and feel an immediate position of need. Not sure why its so controversial.
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Just pointing out guys that possibly need to transfer to see playing time. Some have already graduated here, so they can go anywhere they wish. It makes room for guys like LA Mons, who are young and feel an immediate position of need. Not sure why its so controversial.
How many on C2's list have already graduated? And yea it is controversial no matter how you cut it....go back and check the recruiting threads for most of these guys.
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I think its the 17th now
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How many on C2's list have already graduated? And yea it is controversial no matter how you cut it....go back and check the recruiting threads for most of these guys.
How many will have graduated by the end of the spring is the important measure. And I don't know to be honest, not privy to their current educational situations. To me its not controversial, its life. Are we not supposed to be preparing these guys for life? If in my business I can't produce on the level of others I will be stagnant at best. If there are a limited number of slots for a position and I can't ever add to the bottom line, I will be replaced by someone that can. If the business doesn't do that, it risks losing money. This probably means I am in the wrong career or at least position for myself. Whether its what I want to do or not is irrelevant, sometimes you don't always get what you want. What I need to do is either elevate my game or try to find somewhere/something else I can do that I excel at.

To use that illustration in football: If you can't see the field by now and you are in a position to go somewhere else and actually improve on the field it is better for you and for us. We need a great class of CB's because we lack depth in that area. Some of the guys haven't panned out like we wanted, some have been injured and we've had several leave early to the NFL. For whatever reason, we need guys back there. And given the history of recruiting, some won't pan out, some need an extra year to prepare physically and some can come in and play right away. We probably need all four guys on the board: Harris, Smith, Green and Lammons. We can get by with 3 of the 4, but we definitely need 3.
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Give the guys a chance before you throw em under the bus.
Our attrition list doesn't need to be 10 more like 6 or 7.
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Give the guys a chance before you throw em under the bus.
Our attrition list doesn't need to be 10 more like 6 or 7.
I'm not throwing them under the bus but if there needed to be more attrition, those are probably the group of guys that it'll come from.

TBS reported last week to expect one more player to leave the program this month and then for more attrition to happen after Spring Semester.
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Give the guys a chance before you throw em under the bus.
Our attrition list doesn't need to be 10 more like 6 or 7.
All C2 is doing is providing a list of guys that are potential candidates to leave. Numerous people have asked for this list, now that someone gives it there is push back. It doesn't mean they will, just means the depth of their position/time in the program means if they don't see the field soon it could mean they move on.

As you said though, I expect to only need 6-8 of those listed players to actually decide to move on. It's not that hard to see that many doing so to be honest.
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In fact, I don't think any of the players I listed are far fetched. You could break them into these categories:

Injuries: Martin, Green

Other interests: Carson

Can't find a permanent position: Rainey, Fleetwood, Moody

Multiple years in the system but haven't contributed at their position: Harris, Brent, Sport, Jeffrey, Owens

Better chance of playing time elsewhere: Fuller, Smith
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Also put it this way, while Brad Lawing was here he said if by year 3 in the program you aren't contributing, its unlikely you'll ever contribute and its time to look elsewhere. That applies to a majority of those players.
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In fact, I don't think any of the players I listed are far fetched. You could break them into these categories:

Injuries: Martin, Green

Other interests: Carson

Can't find a permanent position: Rainey, Fleetwood, Moody

Multiple years in the system but haven't contributed at their position: Harris, Brent, Sport, Jeffrey, Owens

Better chance of playing time elsewhere: Fuller, Smith
I think Fuller and Smith are ok as Sophomores. I am limiting my numbers of probables to guys in the Jr. and Sr. columns only, but I do get the reasoning:

http://southcarolina.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=646864
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If an underclassman starts over you then I'd say its best to A.) move on B.) Be an awesome Special Teams guy C.) Be one outstanding back up. Our staff puts the best guys on the field and unlike UGA we don't promise playing time. It's called a Bell Curve and this isn't No Child Left Behind, produce for your team or move on.
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Some of those receivers have to step up now. With Ace and Bruce both gone how can they not make it on the field?

Jeffery has to go. He hasn't done a thing and he's been here plenty of time. Fuller and Smith need to do something soon or they're next.

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