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Think the Mason hire is going to bomb.

Unless this guy is some kind of version of Franklin, except from the West Coast.

Nothing at all to do with his x's and o's, just you have to have a recruiter at Vandy like Franklin to get any movement up in this conference. And so far as I know he is not on the same level.

If Stanford has a couple of good years, that job recruits itself. They can recruit nationally, the kind of kids they have to sign without spending much money. Say you are a 5 Star offensive lineman somewhere, and Stanford identifies you as a kid they can get admitted and want. Personally I sign with them as soon as they extend an offer.

These are the kids everyone wants. But they also tend to be the same kids that know what having Stanford on your sheepskin actually means, as opposed to say Alabama.

Vandy is an excellent school, but I think they need to win like they have the past few years for a while longer before they could do the same kind of recruiting. Plus due to structural off the field issue, a Vandy degree just isn't as valuable as a Stanford degree.

And as someone said, defensive coaches are a poor choice for teams that face a built in recruiting disadvantage. The Chad would have been a bad choice for Vandy, and Vandy a bad choice for him.

But I think it would have turned out better for Vandy than this Mason hire.
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Think the Mason hire is going to bomb.

Unless this guy is some kind of version of Franklin, except from the West Coast.

Nothing at all to do with his x's and o's, just you have to have a recruiter at Vandy like Franklin to get any movement up in this conference. And so far as I know he is not on the same level.

If Stanford has a couple of good years, that job recruits itself. They can recruit nationally, the kind of kids they have to sign without spending much money. Say you are a 5 Star offensive lineman somewhere, and Stanford identifies you as a kid they can get admitted and want. Personally I sign with them as soon as they extend an offer.

These are the kids everyone wants. But they also tend to be the same kids that know what having Stanford on your sheepskin actually means, as opposed to say Alabama.

Vandy is an excellent school, but I think they need to win like they have the past few years for a while longer before they could do the same kind of recruiting. Plus due to structural off the field issue, a Vandy degree just isn't as valuable as a Stanford degree.

And as someone said, defensive coaches are a poor choice for teams that face a built in recruiting disadvantage. The Chad would have been a bad choice for Vandy, and Vandy a bad choice for him.

But I think it would have turned out better for Vandy than this Mason hire.
No way of knowing just yet. I'd like to know his buy-out and details of his contract. The guy might not be there long. Vandy just might have to settle with being a stepping stone job until they find the perfect coach that wants to stay there. Kinda like Spurrier here. There's a challenge at Vandy for the right coach with the resources to hire the right asst's. Vandy might be the Ark St. of the SEC. Coaches move on, but the Uni gets a huge buy-out so they can turn around and hmake another quality hire and still end up winning 8 games and make a bowl.

WTS, I think Mason will do good, I'm sure he has a plan in place to get the best recruits possible. He just might be able to recruit nationally better than we anticipate. Maybe he's going to recruit the north, he's already hired three asst coaches from Ohio.
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Rick Henry ‏@RickHenry10 5m Clemson football coach Dabo Swinney receives 8 year deal to continue coaching the Tigers.

Aaron_Brenner:Dabo-Eight years, $27.15 million, fully guaranteed if fired any time in the next three seasons


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Per source, Larry Fedora has indeed discussed the UNC OC job with Indiana offensive coordinator Seth Littrell.

Pete Roussel ‏@coachingsearch 32m UAB is indeed interviewing one last coach today, per source
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Rick Henry ‏@RickHenry10 5m Clemson football coach Dabo Swinney receives 8 year deal to continue coaching the Tigers.
Go ahead and print up the 13 in a row t-shirts!!


And who in the heck gives an 8 year extension??
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Bold prediction by Derek Mason:

Derek Mason: "SEC East title, here we come. Make no bones about it."

Mason says he plans to have 90% of his staff in place in 24-48 hours (“or sooner”)

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8...years? This is the best day of my life kinda!
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8...years? This is the best day of my life kinda!
They will be stuck with him for at least four years!
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If they fall apart without Boyd and Sammy I will just be loving it.
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Where is the retirement in Clempson clause?
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Mason says he plans to have 90% of his staff in place in 24-48 hours (“or sooner”)
Well I wouldn't expect him to say "We hope to finish at least 4th in the SEC East every year. Make no bones about it".

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Love how they waited to be sure that Morris was staying before finalizing the extension for Dabo.
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Vanderbilt: A source tells CoachingSearch that TCU assistant Curtis Luper has emerged as a candidate to join Derek Mason's staff at Vanderbilt.

Stanford asst. David Kotulski has accepted the DC position at Vanderbilt.

Vanderbilt: A source tells CoachingSearch that Stanford defensive assistant Vavae Tata will join Derek Mason's staff at Vanderbilt to coach the defensive line. Tata spent the past two seasons as defensive assistant at Stanford after two years as a graduate assistant at San Jose State and two as a student assistant at UCLA.

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I think the writing is on the wall in Nashville, Mason is going to recruit nationally. I wouldn't be surprised to see his classes end up nearly 50% with kids from the left coast.-Travelin

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“Just so you know, I’ve recruited the Southeast for at least 8 years. When you look at my career, it speaks to what we look to do and the type of young men we want to have in our program. We’re going to continue to open doors in the South, but we’re going to make sure we take the Vanderbilt brand nationwide – that’s what it is. We’re worldwide, here. Vanderbilt is known across the continent, so we need to know and understand that our mission is global, so let’s make sure we push that way.”
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Vanderbilt: A source tells CoachingSearch that TCU assistant Curtis Luper has emerged as a candidate to join Derek Mason's staff at Vanderbilt.

Stanford asst. David Kotulski has accepted the DC position at Vanderbilt.

Vanderbilt: A source tells CoachingSearch that Stanford defensive assistant Vavae Tata will join Derek Mason's staff at Vanderbilt to coach the defensive line. Tata spent the past two seasons as defensive assistant at Stanford after two years as a graduate assistant at San Jose State and two as a student assistant at UCLA.

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I think the writing is on the wall in Nashville, Mason is going to recruit nationally. I wouldn't be surprised to see his classes end up nearly 50% with kids from the left coast.-Travelin

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If he hires Luper wouldn't that seem to indicate he's going to join the race to the bottom when it comes to shady recruiting?
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If he hires Luper wouldn't that seem to indicate he's going to join the race to the bottom when it comes to shady recruiting?
Fill me in on Lupar's reputation, I'm not familiar with him. But, I expect them to pull out all the stops to be as competitive as possible.
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Steve Spurrier always knows how to play to his crowd. More than anything else, South Carolina fans love his jabs at Clemson.

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Washington Redskins: According to CBS' Jason La Canfora, Jay Gruden's contract is for five years and worth more than $20 million, all guaranteed.
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Good lord, recruiting California kids to play in the SEC is a recipe for disaster.
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Good lord, recruiting California kids to play in the SEC is a recipe for disaster.
Especially with facilities incomparable to SoCal, Stanford & UCLA.
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'The system for hiring NFL coaches needs to be torn apart and redone'




http://coachingsearch.com/article?a=...art-and-redone

I agree 100% with this opinion. I found it very odd with these NFL coaches being interviewed for jobs the week their teams had a play-off game.

I have a new found respect for Ken Whisenhunt. He told them straight up he was too busy preparing for the next game to prepare for an interview.

Maybe we'll see a change next year, but I doubt it.
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If he hires Luper wouldn't that seem to indicate he's going to join the race to the bottom when it comes to shady recruiting?
Yeah, since he was recruiting for Chizik at Auburn, I understand your point.

He'll probably be the recruiting coordinator. haha
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