2014 Graveyard Thread

[cockyness11]

I can say this about BJ though... Atleast he does care enough about his players to not push them to Clemson because any coach with some sense, sees that dabo is all about dabo and not about these young kids he suppost to be watching out for and leading them to better things... All thse recruits are coming into a program as kids and the job of these coaches are to make sure they leave as men...

[duff18]

There only seems to be vague reasons for Payne not wanting him here. To say USC is not the best fit is very general. Why not just be specific and give a cogent list of reasons why Poona should not attend USC? Maybe he has, would love to know what those were and why.

I'll be completely shocked if he ends up here at this point. If he really wants to be here, then there should have come a point a while ago where he tells his half wit coach to get lost and let him make a decision.

I also have to think our coaches are done.

And one last thought, is USC not the best fit for Poona or any player in Payne's mind? If it is the latter, then HHHS ought to take a hard look at that attitude and policy.

[CHSgc]

Originally Posted by cockyness11

but I do feel it is because he truly does feel like we are not the school that is best for his player

Please elaborate. Why is USC not a good fit for Ford in his mind?

[thekob]

Regarding Payne, I'm curious to know why he thinks USC isn't the right school for Ford. Can you offer any insight into his reasoning? I know that a high school football coach would hold tremendous sway over a star player, that actually makes a lot of sense since they can almost be like a third parent and unfortunately sometimes are the only source of stability. Seems like Spurrier might need to do the chacha slide with Grandma Ford to land this one! As an aside, I love it when I hear how close some of this generation is with their grandparents. Whether it be out of choice or lack of, always gives me hope for the future.

[duff18]

Originally Posted by cockyness11

I have been disgusted about a lot with how this kids recruitment has went, but I let it get to me personally because I am and will always be a Carolina fan.. I started looking through my garnet glasses at this whole process and getting aggravated because how negative it looked towards USC.. After hearing what BJ Payne had to say to me in these past few messages he has sent me on here, I see he really does have the best intentions for this young man.. Even if he doesn't feel it is here at USC.. When it is all said and done, it doesn't matter what he thinks or what I think, it is what is best for this kid and I think he knows it is him being close to his family and playing at USC.. Mark it down, I believe we get this kid

By the way, so Payne is on this board? I think that's what I am hearing from this post.

[thekob]

Originally Posted by d20636

Proximity...or James Franklin's abilities as a recruiter...

I'd say both. I can't recall...anyone know what the status is of the sanctions they're under from the Sandusky trouble? I know they got hit hard but I don't know how much is remaining. If their roster is thinned from lack of schollys that might lead to an attractive lack of depth for Prince.

[cockybreeyan]

You are hearing correctly

[thekob]

Is this him?
http://www.cockytalk.com/member.php?u=27932

Kind of far from anonymous. I'll give you 1 guess as to which thread he's viewing...

[duff18]

Originally Posted by thekob

Regarding Payne, I'm curious to know why he thinks USC isn't the right school for Ford. Can you offer any insight into his reasoning? I know that a high school football coach would hold tremendous sway over a star player, that actually makes a lot of sense since they can almost be like a third parent and unfortunately sometimes are the only source of stability. Seems like Spurrier might need to do the chacha slide with Grandma Ford to land this one! As an aside, I love it when I hear how close some of this generation is with their grandparents. Whether it be out of choice or lack of, always gives me hope for the future.

Agreed.

I have no issues with a HS coach giving advice to a player and Payne has that right. It should be objective. I'd be curious to hear the objective reasons and if those reasons are unique to Poona.

[cockyness11]

Originally Posted by duff18

By the way, so Payne is on this board? I think that's what I am hearing from this post.

Yep, he has already messaged a couple of us on here telling us to come up to his office next time we are in his area.. haha Other then him saying that non sense, he felt like he had to defend his player because we were bad mouthing the young man.. Even though I feel differently about us bad mouthing the kid, I do admire the fact that he is standing up for him.. In my eyes, I think USC is the perfect place for Kaylon, but I am not one of many who has a say so in the matter either

[Gamecock_Aholic]

Originally Posted by cockyness11

I have been disgusted about a lot with how this kids recruitment has went, but I let it get to me personally because I am and will always be a Carolina fan.. I started looking through my garnet glasses at this whole process and getting aggravated because how negative it looked towards USC.. After hearing what BJ Payne had to say to me in these past few messages he has sent me on here, I see he really does have the best intentions for this young man.. Even if he doesn't feel it is here at USC.. When it is all said and done, it doesn't matter what he thinks or what I think, it is what is best for this kid and I think he knows it is him being close to his family and playing at USC.. Mark it down, I believe we get this kid

BJ Payne is a douche bag. Anyone who tries to force something on a kid, just because he doesn't like it, is a douche... bag... What are his reasons for not wanting him to come here(which, need I remind, isn't his choice)? He's a power hungry, wait for it, douche bag. He doesn't have the kids best interest at heart or he'd let him do what he wants. He can give input or advice when asked, but he's doing way more than that. If I thought for one second my sons coach was trying to force him down a road, and not leave all options open, i'd be livid. I'll say it again, and i'll leave it at this, BJ Payne... Is indeed.. a douche bag.

[Master Bedroom]

Originally Posted by cockyness11

Yep, he has already messaged a couple of us on here telling us to come up to his office next time we are in his area.. haha Other then him saying that non sense, he felt like he had to defend his player because we were bad mouthing the young man.. Even though I feel differently about us bad mouthing the kid, I do admire the fact that he is standing up for him.. In my eyes, I think USC is the perfect place for Kaylon, but I am not one of many who has a say so in the matter either

How in the **** did this guy get to be a head coach? He sounds like a real piece of work...

[JDRAY^#]

Well at least we know Poona is not making his own decision

[EveryThingGreen]

This is just a sad situation all around. No kid should have one of the biggest decisions of his life directed by anyone with an agenda. Maybe USC is not the right fit for Poona, but at least give him the chance to make that decision himself, if you truly have his best interests at heart.

[thekob]

Originally Posted by Master Bedroom

How in the **** did this guy get to be a head coach? He sounds like a real piece of work...

Seriously...why is this guy responsible for supervising kids? Threatening people on a message board, what a tool. Now I just feel sorry for all the players in general.

Also, it seems that any badmouthing on here was the result of Payne's actions, so that's on him as well. If he doesn't realize that this is a message board and people are trying to decipher the mind of 18 yo's based on a few sentences, he's just making it more difficult and his influence on Ford makes it more vague.

I guess that's just more proof to what we already know....that recruits (and coaches) are on this forum....watching...sulking in the shadows....threatening board members....

[b381l]

Originally Posted by duff18

By the way, so Payne is on this board? I think that's what I am hearing from this post.

Yes. He sent me two "not too flattering" PM's a couple of weeks ago after I said some "not too flattering" things about him on here. I can understand how a coach may think one of his guys wouldn't be a good fit. But that should be the extent of where he goes with it. After that, it's up to the player to do his own investigating into which school he wants to attend. While I don't question Payne's caring for Poona and wanting to help him, he has gone way over the line in his efforts. It's none of his business where one of his players goes. As several other posters have already said, how could he think coming to Carolina would not be a good fit for Poona. We've had one of the best DL in the SEC for several years and with the quality of kids coming in, that's not likely to change anytime soon. It's all about him being selfish and wanting to maintain some sort of distorted control.

I'll also say this, cockynesss11 probably knows more about HS football in that area than anyone else on here. He's always provided good information and insight into Poona's recruitment. I've appreciated reading what he's had to say.....including all this mess with Payne. It's just a shame that Poona may end up at a school that he really didn't want to attend, all because that's what his coach wanted.

[Lonnie]

Originally Posted by thekob

Is this him?
http://www.cockytalk.com/member.php?u=27932

Kind of far from anonymous. I'll give you 1 guess as to which thread he's viewing...

[Take-a-Knee]

If Kaylon can go pro early , sounds like he'd better come to USC where he will be encouraged instead of somewhere where he'd be discouraged to leave early .. He sounds like a thoughtful young man

[ReadR00ster]

Originally Posted by cockyness11

Oh, I do feel that ole' Payne has spun Kaylon's wheels in the other direction of USC for his own personnel reasons, but I do feel it is because he truly does feel like we are not the school that is best for his player.. Hell, if I was his coach, I wouldn't want him playing for a coach who is well known to swing a kid toward his best interest and not the players... Who was the kid that played with torn cartilage in his knee half his senior year and it ended up hurting him in the draft.. D@mn it, I can't think of his name, but that is the type of coaches they have over their in Clemson.. Our coaching staff encourages players to leave early if it benefits them, while Dabo is over on his knees begging these kids to stay all four years.. Back to the point, in Payne's weird scattered brain of his, he thinks it would hurt him by coming here...

Daquan Bowers? What LOGICAL reason would that be to get the kid to not want him to give his "dream school" a chance and not even visit a couple of hours away? I mean he probably doesn't think USC is the right school for ANYONE except for maybe players he thinks is sorry.

[ReadR00ster]

Originally Posted by cockyness11

I can say this about BJ though... Atleast he does care enough about his players to not push them to Clemson because any coach with some sense, sees that dabo is all about dabo and not about these young kids he suppost to be watching out for and leading them to better things... All thse recruits are coming into a program as kids and the job of these coaches are to make sure they leave as men...

Clemson never even offered Poona. The doesn't mean Payne wasn't ready to try to get him to go there as soon as they did.